Subject: SMML VOL 1815 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:27:30 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: my stuff 2: Re: DLGs to Cruisers 3: HMS Nottingham 4: Re: Small photoetch,carpets etc 5: Re: What is a cruiser? 6: Churchill Upgrade 7: Floating Crane "Langer Heinrich" 8: Thanks on Small boats sources. also... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Re: my stuff well at least it didn't start a battle of words! definition of warship stuff ... talk about Confucianism! guess that's the joys of dealing with military stuff & so much double talk ..not as much as politicians or lawyers ,lol (sorry to any politicians or lawyers out there!) suppose a frigate & corvette could be next on the hard to define lists! Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: Re: DLGs to Cruisers >> Well, to make it more confusing the DLGs of the FARRAGUT class did not become Cruisers but instead went to DDG status, probably more because they looked like destroyers and not cruisers. << From what I understand, the reason has to do with the relatively short endurance that the DLG 2 class suffers compared to the later DLGs. Steve Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: HMS Nottingham here are todays news highlights about the ship - sailors will be flown from Lord Howe Island on Wednesday to Sydney (Richmond RAAF base) - hull was pierced & 5 forward compartments flooded - crew members will spend 7 days in Australia before flying hope to Britain - the ship will be towed backwatrds to either Sydney or Newcastle - tugs are the NZ Pacific Chieftan & Australia's Austral Salvor - deliveies of steel & other salvage equipment will arrive over the next 2 days - LT Commander Mike Souter said the ship will be off Lord Howe till end of month or early August & that depends on the weather - 35 to 40 crew members will remain on board for the tow ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Darshan Ward" Subject: Re: Small photoetch,carpets etc Hi there to one and all With reference to the recent thread on catching small parts and tweezer fly by, I have a suggestion that I can highly recomend, It works well for me. Rather than the jewellers bib I use a small cardboard carton the size of a large shoebox, say 12x12x6 {inches that is}. Unfold two sides so thatr one corner and two sides remain intact, then pin,tape or tuck as appropriate to the front of your work bench cum modelling table so that the triangle of carton is directly above your lap as you labour diligentlly at your endeavours. For me this seems to catch nearly everything plus nearly everything else. Best wishes DW ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Lars Scharff" Subject: Re: What is a cruiser? This problem with the differentiation between cruisers and destroyer has not only the US Navy. E.g. the French 'frégate' of the Suffren-class or the Russian large anti-submarine ship of the Udaloy-class. The first is sometimes quoted as cruiser, but mostly as destroyer, even it is classified as 'frégate' in the French navy. Their frigates are classified as 'aviso escorteur'. The Udaloy-class is classified as large anti-submarine in the Soviet and Russian navy. The first ship (Udaloy) has a destroyer name, the rest have cruiser names. They are clearly successors of the Kronstadt-class (Kresta II) and Nikolajev-class (Kara). The British County-class is also sometimes classified as cruiser, e.g. the Pakistan Babur (ex HMS London, Weyer 1986). But even more puzzling are the Arleigh Burke-class and the Japanese Kongo-class. The Arleigh Burkes are much bigger than most other destroyers (8300 t, the Flight IIA over 9000 t, other destroyers are average 3000 - 4000 t). (On the other side look at the RN: the Type 22 frigates are bigger than the Type 42 destroyers.) Joel Labow wrote: >> Norman Friedman defines a cruiser as a surface warship that (a) has a potent mix of offensive and defensive armament, (b) has some sort of static side protection system (c) has the size and 'presence' to serve as a flagship either in company or on detached service. << Are in this case the Arleigh Burkes and the Kongos, perhaps also the Kidds and Sovremennyis, cruisers? No modern ship has a classic armoured belt, but some has armour. Are the old classifications still valid? Or are the recent classifications mostly political (budget)? Regards Lars ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Churchill Upgrade USS Winston S. Churchill Gets Major Makeover BATH, Maine (NNS) -- USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG 81) is back at her birthplace to receive a $25 million equipment upgrade after her maiden deployment. Churchill, named after the late British prime minister, orator, author, painter, and war hero, returned to Bath Iron Works in May for the tune-up, known as the Post Shakedown Availability (PSA). The work comes after a first deployment to the United Kingdom and Norway that drew international attention because of her mission and namesake. At her berth along the Kennebec River, officers and crew make their way up and down a forward brow and over to offices on a barge off the starboard side as Bath Iron Works (BIW) shipbuilders come and go from the ship. Tarps cover the helo deck, and wires, cranes, and tubes run from the dock to dozens of places as machines whir and buzz. Everyone on the yard scrambles about as Churchill sits patiently for her transformation to one of the most up-to-date warships in the US Navy's arsenal. When complete, Churchill will boast dozens of advanced systems, corrosion-control improvements, a rearranged Combat Information Center (CIC), an upgraded Passive Countermeasure System, the Naval Fires Control System (NFCS), and numerous improvements to the ship's command and control, communications and computers (C4I) systems, according to LTJG Michael Schine, Churchill's Electronics Material Officer (EMO). The destroyer's engineering department also will receive the new Fully Automated Digital Control/Redundant Independent Mechanical Starting System (FADC/RIMSS) to offer a more efficient way of starting the generators. In addition, there will be new decking, a self-service laundry, modifications to the Hazardous Materials Center, and other improvements to make Churchill ready for the fleet and more efficient and comfortable for her crew. Launched in April 1999 at BIW, Churchill was commissioned in Norfolk, VA, her homeport, a year later. Following the PSA, Churchill will make a series of port calls and conduct test and training to prepare for her next deployment with the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) battle group. For more information on USS Winston S. Churchill, go to: www.spear.navy.mil/ships/ddg81 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: Floating Crane "Langer Heinrich" Sometimes we forget that what it takes to build a real ship. A good example is the giant floating crane "Langer Heinrich" that served in the building of the Tirpitz, Scheer, Scharnhorst, Köln etc. At the venerable age of 87, this tall fellow is still active in the Port of Genoa! There is a great web page of this crane at http://www.langer-heinrich.de.vu/ . (Although it is in German, the pictures speak for themselves.) Does anyone know of other large crane web sites? Ulrich Rudofsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Thanks on Small boats sources. also... Hi I just wanted to thank everyone on the informatino for sources for Naval small boats. Also, all this talk lately of Barbettes makes me wonder... In Fortresses, Guns mounted on carriages which Had a pivot point (a round Iron stake mounted in the ground, floor, parapet) at the front and wheels at the back positioned so that the gun could rotate on Iron tracks in the floor were refered to as being In Barbette, or on Barbette Carriages. The arraingement was similar to Naval Pivot Guns as used in the 19th Century with the exception that Fortress "Barbette" mounts could not be rotated through a 360 degree arc, instead it was more like a 45 to 50 degree arc (it's a bad idea to fire your ordinance into your own fort...;^) ). I wonder if anyone has seen references to the Naval Pivot guns as being mounted on "Barbette Carriages" And if this may be where the term "Barbette" started being used in a naval sense. It just occured to me, I'll try to check "The usual sources", when I am back near them (ie: not at work), But it's a thought. Thanks Rich Sweeney ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume