Subject: SMML VOL 1828 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:36:04 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: What colour? 2: Re: USS Missouri scheme/Paint experiments 3: Re: paper models Int'l USS Monitor 4: Re: Russian Web Site on Coastal Craft 5: Sea Cocks 6: More about laundry 7: Re: BB 63 deck color.... 8: Corvettes (and other thingy's) 9: Re: Jack Aubrey on Film 10: Interesting item on eBay 11: Hermann the German 12: Soviet MTB "SM-3" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Thanks! 2: New U-Boat set finally ready! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Weier Subject: What colour? What colour would the life rings be on SMS Konig? In the photos they're darker than the grey of the superstructure. That means, either they *are* darker (and could be grey or any other colour) OR the film is orthochromatic (quite likely) and the rings could be yellow/orange (but aren't dark enough to be red) I'm hoping that someone on SMML will have seen one in a museum or whatever and have a first hand notion. What I *am* pretty sure of is, they aren't white - the comparison to the bulkeads on the ship is way too stark Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USS Missouri scheme/Paint experiments >> As far as I am aware, BB63 wore only two schemes during the war - a commissioning scheme of Ms32/22D (designed for a destroyer) and Ms22 for her service in the Pacific. Ms22 was a graded system with the hull up to the lowest point of the main deck edge in navy blue 5-N and the remainder of vertical surfaces in haze gray 5-H. Horizontal surfaces were supposed to have been deck blue 20-B and I have a recollection that Missouri's wood decks were painted because I seem to recall reading that the paint was removed for the surrender ceremony in Tokyo Bay. Overhangs were to be painted in white 5-U for countershading. << Close. MISSOURI actually wore three camo schemes, though the third was actually applied after the surrender ceremonies. It was a modified Measure 22, with the entire hull sides painted 5-N Navy Blue. Her wood decks were still painted Deck Blue 20-B at the time of the surrender. I can provide the color photo for anyone interested. >> I find it strange that John won't be investigating the full potential of this using the teak flooring of his new home. I'm sure Caroline would be enthusiastic to see the differing effect of different types of fuel oil and the bleaching effect of dragging heavy sharp objects across a floor. Come on John - a full size experiment would help us all. Then you could experience the colour of an underwater hull with fouling when Caroline throws you into a dock. Two authentic new colours from one experiment!!! Go on John! << Bloody troublemaker!! Besides, the South Farm floors are either stone, or 600-year-old oak, which is harder than the stone! And I've already experienced underwater hull colour--when BAINBRIDGE was in drydock. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Peter Crow" Subject: Re: paper models Int'l USS Monitor >> I didn't know you were on this list -- I just got a "fancy meeting you here" from fellow card modeler Maurice O'Brien, and I understand Darek Lipinski's also here. (Gee, what a bunch of friends I have -- nobody told ME about the SMML until now...) ;-) << Hello David... You mean to tell me you weren't on this list!!!! Also as another builder of David Hathaway cardmodels, I also have no problem praising then.. Absolutely first rate IMHO.... And I also have both the Darek Lipinski releases... Both high quality... Peter Crow Santa Monica, Calif. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: David Gregory Subject: Re: Russian Web Site on Coastal Craft Found the mother-lode of information on Soviet coastal forces yesterday, unfortunately all in Russian http://fs1.math.spbu.ru/navy/mk.ssi Each numbered subject has 3-4 drawings, many in color, of coastal craft from the late 1800s to now. The emphasis is on Russian boats but all nations are covered. I sent a note to a Russian friend for help translating some of it. Of particular interest was Item #12, which covered some Soviet prototype MTBs. The G-6 MTB looks like a G-5 on steroids, with four MG mounts, a 45mm gun and a triple torpedo tube mount that looks like it is from a DD! "G" must stand for "Godzilla" in this case! Dave at the PT Dockyard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Cyp Klish" Subject: Sea Cocks Generally speaking, a sea cock is any through hull valve, and is defined as such in marine engineering dictionaries. In practice, warships have flooding and pumping systems whose pumps take suction through sea cocks dedicated to these systems, and these are often the ones used to scuttle a ship because these systems have outlets in so many compartments. The actual systems as implemented vary greatly from ship to ship, as does the procedure for scuttling. Typically, the crew, when passed the word to scuttle, opens watertight doors and hatches and selected valves throughout the ship. The procedure may include placing explosives to blow open other key pipes, flanges, covers, or valves, to cause more rapid flooding such as the condenser main induction inlet. Obviously, when you run a scuttle ship drill, it is just a walk through. :-) For more info, I suggest: * The Battlecruiser Hood, Anatomy of the Ship series, Revised Edition; John Roberts, Conway Maritime Press. Page 74-5, Figures C12/2 and C12/3. * The Battleship Dreadnought, Anatomy of the Ship series, John Roberts, Conway Maritime Press. Page 186-7. In the case of some of these sea cocks, the term "opening the sea cocks" in the context of flooding is somewhat inaccurate since a particular sea cock may be normally open. For example, the pumping system sea cock is nomally open so that the fire mains are charged and the fie pumps can immediately take suction. In the modeling context, I do wish that ship plans would show the location and size of sea cocks and other major hull penetrations. I hope this helps. Cyp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Phil Collins" Subject: More about laundry Hi everyone. I have just read the following article on teletext news, and it reminded me of the recent postings about trying to do your laundry while at sea. (This is teletext's grammar, not mine) >> The Royal Navy's longest serving laundryman has retired after ironing more than 1m uniforms. Chick Shung Chu, 72, spent 53 years aboard 20 different British Warships, and escaped unharmed when HMS Argonault was bombed during the Falkland War. The Hong Kong based laundryman, known as Mr Chick, can iron 36 shirts an hour (!!). Mr Chick always refused to sleep in a hammock and followed the traditions of his job by sleeping on his ironing board. << Regards. Phil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: BB 63 deck color.... Sir, this has been asked and answered many times on this and other boards......BB 63's decks were STAINED BLUE, probably faded somewhat, at the time of the surrendur ceremony, and during transit to CONUS for Navy Day celebrations in New York, the crew cleaned up the ship and the decks were holystoned back to their beautifull teak/tan look. As far as the PE for the ship model is concerned, you asked and answered your own question, the GMM 350th scale set by Loren Perry is quintessential in completing the kit. Other sets may give you additional parts and pieces, but I have not used any other sets and cannot speak on their behalf....there are a lot of IOWA class lovers out there and no doubt they will chime in with suggestions as to other aftermarket PE...but the MOST COMPLETE, dedicated set is by GOLD MEDAL MODELS. RDB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Subject: Corvettes (and other thingy's) Hi All The "Marine Modelling International" August issue, is now on the stands. Contained therein is a description of Bob Pearson's superb Canadian Flower class decals which I posted on this site some time ago. I also have an article about HMS Whitley a "W" class WW I destroyer conversion as modified to escort destroyer (a Wair) in 1938. (See pages 56 -58). Another item, hot off MY press! Yesterday I completed a task that I started a long while ago. A four sheet subject, the RN diesel engined Bangor Class Fleet minesweeper HMS Bridlington. A subject that I initially drew in 1972 for my first book about Fleet Minesweepers in the original Bivouac Books series. (Never to see the light of day)! In the intervening years I have gathered more information, including her rig and hull lines. The original has been enlarged and much armament and detail equipment have been added. No doubt this will become another magazine article in the near future. Oh for more hours in the day! Yours "Aye" John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Jack Aubrey on Film >> Mr. Crowe is neither broad enough nor blond enough. And even if he bleaches it'll take a while to grow it long enough. And he's an Aussie! << A quick check of www.imdb.com indicates that not only will Crowe star in "Master and Commander", to be directed by Peter Weir, but he's tentatively due to star in Ridley Scott's film "Tripoli" next year, portraying William Eaton, the American consul who led a force of Marines and Islamic and Greek mercenaries against Yusuf Pasha in 1805. >> I'm not familiar with Paul Brittany; can someone tell us something about him? << Per IMDB, Paul Bettany also played Crowe's imaginary roommate at Yale in "A Beautiful Mind". MWL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay I saw this item for sale at eBay: The Bonnie - HMCS Bonaventure by J.A. Snowie http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1551508553 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Mike C" Subject: Hermann the German For those interested- My brother is a civilian working for the Navy and he told me that Herman the German was dismantled and moved to the Canal Zone to operate there (one of the Gulf side ports). It seems one of the reasons for the move is that the SCAQMD (South Coast Air Quality Management District) ruled that her diesel engines were putting out too much particulate smog. The crane was moved shortly after the shipyard closed. Mike C ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: David Gregory Subject: Soviet MTB "SM-3" Does anyone know where I can find drawings or a picture of the Soviet MTB "SM-3", the one-off steel hull boat they used in the Black Sea early in WW2? I have found several references to this boat and it look like it saw some interesting actions. Found a website with pictures of just about every boat but this one and it is driving me nuts... Sorry for all the questions lately. Haven't participated in a while so this is a pent up demand! Dave @ The PT Dockyard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Thanks! My apologies for not responding to everyone messages who has requested a copy of my for sale list. I've received a lot of requests for the list, and haven't had time to make a personal reply to all the well wishes being offered. Be asssured, tis appreciated. If you requested the list, as of this writing the following kits have been taken off as reserved awaiting payment... Revell USS Pittsburgh Aoshima USS North Carolina Hasegawa F-86D Sabre Dog JASDF I'm making an effort to remove these as they are sold, but I thought I'd pass this along to those I sent the list to before they were sold. To perhaps save everyone and myself some time, find the last updated list below. Eh, should've done this in the first place. ^_^ Thanks to everyone for the well wishes and for taking a look at the list. Both are very much appreciated. If you think you know someone who might be interested, please don't pass along this message to them. Ask them to contact me at the address below and I will email them the most updated list. I am removing items from the list as they are being sold. All of these kits have been opened when purchased. Unless otherwise stated though, they are complete. The prices given are approximately what I paid for them, and DO NOT include shipping. I'm not trying to gouge anyone; just trying to recoup my investment. I will have to go to the post office to get an exact shipping rate. Since I'm not a business, and I have various time restrictions, I can only do this once a week. Therefore, please be patient. This is a first come, first serve deal. If you think a price is too high, make me an offer. If I receive no other offers at the price listed, I'll will consider your offer. Payment in form of Money Order or Cashier's Check only (I'm in a bind, and can't afford the time to allow personal checks to clear) Email all inquiries and offers to california_bb44@chatter.com Last update: 7/23/02 - 5:23 AM *AIRCRAFT* 1:24 Airfix NAA P-51D Mustang $30 1:48 AMT/ERTL Grumman F7F-3 Tigercat $15 Hobbycraft Grumman F8F "French Bearcat" $10 Hobbycraft Vought F7U-3/3M Cutlass $25 Lindberg Northrop Snark Missile (w/ground crew) $30 Lindberg Vought F7U-1 Cutlass "Navy Twin-Jet Fighter" $10 Monogram NAA F-100D Super Sabre (2002 release) $10 Monogram Grumman F-14A Tomcat (+ partly built/disassembled 2nd parts kit) $15 Testors NAA P-51D Mustang $7 Testors Grumman F-14A Tomcat (Metal) $60 Revell Grumman F8F-8 Cougar (parts detached, but complete) $15 Revell Lockheed F-104C/G Starfighter (70's issue, still sealed) $15 Revell MD F-18A Hornet (Red October Release, parts detatched) $10 1:72 ESCI Vought F-8E Crusader $10 Fujimi Vought F7U-3 Cutlass $10 Tamiya NAA P-51D Mustang $10 Hasegawa Grumman F11F-1 Tiger (partially built, bag kit, no decals) $7 Hasegawa Convair F-106A Delta Dart $10 Matchbox Lockheed TF-104G Starfighter $5 Matchbox Lockheed TF-104G Starfighter (scuffed canopy) $3 Monogram Lockheed F-104C Starfighter (recent issue, still sealed) $12 Zhengdefu MD F-18D Hornet $10 *CARS* Testors Mustang Mach III Metal 1:43 $10 Durango Lamborgini Murcilago Diecast 1:18 $20 *SHIPS* 1:350 Banner USS Arizona (BB-39) $25 1:700 Dragon USS Princeton CVL $25 (missing lower hull parts) Dragon USS San Diego CL $10 (missing one weapons sprue & decals) Mini-Hobby USS Arizona (BB-39) $15 Tamiya USS Fletcher (DD-445) $12 1:720 Revell USS Missouri (BB-63) (parts off trees, but complete) $20 1:1200 Revell USS Missouri (BB-63) Miniships $9 Box Scale Revell USS Arizona (BB-39) 1:426 [+ complete 2nd parts kit] $15 Zhengdefu USS Enterprise CVN-65 $10 Thanks for looking. Derek Wakefield ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: AAA Hobby Subject: New U-Boat set finally ready! Hurrah! The first U-boat set from nautilus Models is FINALLY done. If you come to Va Beach and really want to know why it took sooooo long, ask me. Anyway, the Type VIIB 1940 update set is finally available. the retail is $45 + S&H. This includes resin and brass. I will have a limited supply on hand at the IPMS Nationals in Va Beach for a special show price of $40 each. Have a look at: http://nautilusmodels.com/uboat/type7b.htm James Corley Nautilus Models www.nautilusmodels.com email: aaahobby@earthlink.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume