Subject: SMML VOL 1832 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:52:07 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Through Hull fittings 2: So where'd he get the paint chips??? 3: Holes in the hull and suchlike 4: Rating Ship Plans 5: Re: metric,imperial etc 6: Re: USS ALLEN DD-66 7: Re: USS ALLEN DD-66 8: Re: 16MM film 9: Floating Dry Dock 10: 16mm to video ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: APMA site update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Plans for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Darren Subject: Re: Through Hull fittings Just a note, If you have an official source you can get plans from, the sheet you should get is the Docking Plan for a particular ship. This drawing is used when bringing a ship into the drydock and shows all (or most) hull openings so that supports are not placed in that spot. Cheers! Darren Scannell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Mark McKellar Subject: So where'd he get the paint chips??? man's lawn home to UFO model Mich. — Double-takes abound when people pass by Alan Lewis' house, where a flying saucer appears to have landed in the yard. It's actually a 600-pound model made of fiberglass, aluminum, steel and plastic, and adorned with colored lights. A plastic alien peers out from the silver spacecraft, which resembles an upside-down satellite dish propped on a plastic tube. More: http://www.boston.com/news/daily/25/odds_ufo.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Torgeson Roger A KPWA" Subject: Holes in the hull and suchlike This subject and related postings sure bring back memories, can't say all were fond, but memories of my yonger days. My first cruise on the USS Constellation (CVA-64) has two that come to mind. the Tonkin Gulf incident and the start of the Vietnam War being one, the other was the cleaning of #4 main condenser in my engine/boiler room. This fun event took place in Hong Kong, very slow speed and a 3 foot diameter water inlet made for all kinds of marine life forms being sucked up and turned into some really bad stinking jellied glob. The only good that came of the unique experience was learning about that big hole. When the ship went into Puget Sound Naval Shipyard for a major overhaul the valve that closed the inlet side of the condenser was removed, we in the engine room then had a quick access to the bottom of the drydock. Granted we were under the ship and had to bend over and almost crawl go get out from under the hull, but it did facilitate leaving the ship anytime we wanted, day or night, without the bother and delay of having to ask permission first. Roger Torgeson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Rating Ship Plans Cyp's proposal for a plan rating system raises interesting points. Ship's plans should be evaluated by placing accuracy above all else. Details of fittings on-deck and under the waterline are certainly vital. But fine detail rendering is useless if its placement on the drawing does not conform to prototype accuracy. It does no good to say a ship's drawing has excellent weapons detail, for instance, if those weapons are not correct for the ship on the date specified. I'd much prefer a system whereby the drawing is rated by accuracy in form, detail and date rather than giving a plan an "A++" because the draftsman festooned the rendition with things. Given a choice, I will always spend my money on an accurate and well researched plan (backed up by photos) even though 'more detailed,' but inaccurate renderings may be available. Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL www.modelshipjournal.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Richard Wootten Subject: Re: metric,imperial etc Not so long ago I was involved in the manufacture of steel tube. We bought steel ingots for deutche marks in metric tonnes, manufactured them in imperial feet and inches, priced the tube by the American Ton converted by formula from the imperial dimensions but paid for the shipping by Imperial ton weight. Prices were in whatever the currency of the buyer happened to be, or dollars or sterling, and we paid our taxes in sterling calculated at a weighted average of the achieved selling prices. We didn't make a lot of money on exports but it kept a lot of people happy doing the figures. Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: USS ALLEN DD-66 >> Hey, while I have everyone's attention, does anyone know if it is possible to make prints off of 16mm movie film. In 1936 my dad was aboard the USS WHIPPLE when she collided with the SMITH THOMPSON. Anyway they both went into dry dock the WHIPPLE with a crunched bow and the SMITH THOMPSON with a large hole admidship (unrepairable). So anyway my dad just takes his 16mm camera and acts like he knows what he is doing and starts shooting all this footage of both ships. I have never seen any photos of the angles he has nor the close ups of the admidship damage to the S.T. - any if anyone has any suggestion I would like to get these as prints as the film is deteriorating quickly. I do know about the 16mm to VHS and may go that route. << This can be done. I have scanned a frame or two of 16mm sent to me by a friend. You can get a 3in X 5in size image that is OK. You will need a good film positive scanner. Try to find a local electronic prepress facility in your area if you do not have a film scanner. A regular flat bed print scanner that 99% of us have will not work for this. Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Art Herrick" Subject: Re: USS ALLEN DD-66 In reply to Michael Donegan's request for information: >> Hey, while I have everyone's attention, does anyone know if it is possible to make prints off of 16mm movie film. In 1936 my dad was aboard the USS WHIPPLE when she collided with the SMITH THOMPSON. Anyway they both went into dry dock the WHIPPLE with a crunched bow and the SMITH THOMPSON with a large hole admidship (unrepairable). So anyway my dad just takes his 16mm camera and acts like he knows what he is doing and starts shooting all this footage of both ships. I have never seen any photos of the angles he has nor the close ups of the admidship damage to the S.T. - any if anyone has any suggestion I would like to get these as prints as the film is deteriorating quickly. I do know about the 16mm to VHS and may go that route. << Michael, You can purchase equipment and software to hook up your VCR to your PC, so you can copy individual VHS frames (using the Stop Button) to your PC and then print them. Check out ... PLAY Incorporated, 2890 Kilgore Road, Rancho Cordova, CA, 95670-6133 www.play.com I was given the PLAY program in 1999, but have never installed it on my PC. It is Version 3.0 of SNAPPY Video Snapshot. Warning !! --- I have no experience using this hook-up and software !! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx OOOOOPs ... Before sending this, I just tried the PLAY Inc. URL and checked their address on my PC Yellow Pages ... both are no longer in service ?? !! I then called PC Connection, Inc. 1-800 800-0014 and they have SNAPPY Version 4.0, catalog #161178. It is not in stock, but I was told they could order it. Art Herrick Westmoreland, New Hampshire ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: royrichey@att.net Subject: Re: 16MM film How about converting to VHS and then using a computer with a video card that has video capture. The long way around, but I have seen the cards listed as able to freeze an image from the tv and let you print it. Roy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: Floating Dry Dock Hi All In the interests of putting praise where it is due, I would like to complement FDD on the quality and speed of their service. I had been trying to find information about Landing Craft plans from the US NA for about six months. The beating of my head against a brick wall was becoming painful and so I mentioned my problems on SMML. A number of you got back to me with possible addresses, including Floating Dry Dock. Within twenty-four hours I had placed an order. Five days later it had arrived. And that despite the fact that I am across the pond from the former colonies! Thank you to those who offered advice and thank you to Thomas for prompt service and a broad list of offerings. In the end, I got an early and a late LCI(L) plus an LST, which are all crisp and clear and hold plenty of detail even for those of us who do 1/76. Now I may even have to build something. By the way, Cyp's idea about a standard for plans is pretty good. As an active consumer of plans (and occasional builder of models), it would have been nice to be able to get an idea of the quality before buying. With, say, John Lambert's plans, you know that the output is going to be both exhaustive and comprehensive. Alas this is not always the case with other plans I have aquired. There are, however, some questions I'd be interested in hearing your views on. How would you go about deciding on a definative standard? Would there be a specific set of criteria that plans had to fulfill? Would the standard be applied to the plan creator, or each plan seperately? As there is an artistic element to plan creation, would the standards be viewed as subjective? I'm not trying to put up barriers, just curious. Dan Taylor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: 16mm to video Original message >> I would like to get these as prints as the film is deteriorating quickly. I do know about the 16mm to VHS and may go that route. Thanks again all for the info on the ALLEN. << Mike, My daughter working on doing the same thing with 16mm film of my mother in a TV commercial. I am told that there are outfits that will do this and as soon as I get the details I'll pass them along. More to follow. Steve Pelham, NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: APMA site update Hi all, The APMA site at: http://apma.org.au has been updated. It has includes photos from the Bristols, Bikes and Battlewagons display day. Regards, Shane APMA Webmaster http://apma.org.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michael London" Subject: Plans for sale I have a number of large scale plans for sale as follows. If interested contact me off list for other info and shipping costs. Point of origin - Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, U-Boat Type VIIC, scale 1:50. 4 sheets. $15.00 Canadian icebreaker HMCS LABRADOR, scale 1/8th in = 1 ft. 3 sheets (some fraying of one sheet along bottom edge). $15.00 German light cruiser SMS EMDEN (L 1908 C 1909), scale 1:100. 4 sheets. $20.00 British cruiser DIDO Class, scale 1/16th in = 1 ft. Clyde plan, profile and deck plan only. 1 sheet. $5.00 British light fleet carrier (HMS OCEAN), scale 1/16th in = 1 ft. Clyde plan, port & stbd profiles, deck plan and body plan. 1 sheet. $8.00 US aircraft carrier CV 38 Class (USS SHANGRI LA), scale 1/16th in = 1 ft. Blueprint issued for model builders by US Bureau of Ships 31 Jul, 1956. 2 sheets. $15.00 Same as above for CV 41 (USS MIDWAY). $15.00 Same as above for CVA 59 (USS FORRESTAL). $15.00 Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume