Subject: SMML VOL 1847 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 02:26:48 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USCGC Modoc in Measure 16 2: German WWII deck colors and camoflague colors in general 3: Re: Getting kids involved: learning and fantasy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Models 4Sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: Re: USCGC Modoc in Measure 16 Hello John and Felix, I have quite a few photos of ships like the Wind class icebreakers, the Northland, and the Storis in measure 16. Often, depending on the film used, there seems to be a very high contrast between the white and blue. I believe that the standard 5-B Thayer Blue was used. Also, although ms 16 called for the horizontal surfaces to be normal deck blue, at least on the icebreakers the blue and white design was continued from the vertical to horizontal surfaces. I have very clear photos of both the Southwind and Eastwind that show this. Last, ms16 was not symmetrical. The design carried around the bow and stern and was unique on both sides. Best regards, Duane Fowler (Flying from Taiwan to Bulgaria by way of San Francisco over the weekend) (Anyone know of any good model shops in Plovdiv?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "cklages" Subject: German WWII deck colors and camoflague colors in general I was referred to this page, I was wondering if anyone knew an online links or pages that cover German camoflague schemes in WWII, particularily Destroyers and Torpedo Boats as I am working on models of each at the time. I have found many picture, most being in black and white of course and not too high quality. The instructions tell you the decks were wooden, but I am almost positive they are steel, and the upper decks call for a dark brown color, but I am pretty sure they were dark grey. In particular I was wondering what color grey it might be, darker than the dark grey commonly seen on splinter paterns or lighter? And as I plan to do larger ships that do have wooden decks, just what color a wooden deck would appear? I've seen models that go from yellow to orange to beige to grey in appearance... If all else fails I'll just take my best guesses, but I thought before I have actually put paint on I might as well ask, maybe someone has the answers. Thanks, Arthur I thought to add, if anyone knows anything about what the actual paint colors were, ie RAL numbers or even a match to a model paint color, for particular ships or periods that would be almost all i'd need to know. I plan on making a little fleet over time, so thanks for any help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: David Miller Subject: Re: Getting kids involved: learning and fantasy Reflecting back, I think one of the reasons I maintained an interest in modeling during my childhood (in spite of television) was that early models were a genuine learning experience for me. Most kits included a subject history, that I usually memorized inadvertently. The instructions usually named almost all of the parts (a propeller was referred to as a "propeller" instead of "part C"). Instructions were mostly in text rather than "universal" symbols for "cut" and glue". One of the early Monogram B-17 kits included, in addition to textual instructions, a history of the the B-17, the combat history of the particular airplane, and a color pamphlet describing how to make a diorama for the model. Much of this underlying content was stripped from models in the 1970's. I am presently building a Revell 1/24 Corsair for a client, and the instructions tell virtually nothing about the airplane's history. There is absolutely no text to the instructions. The kit is strictly glue part A to Part B. Much of the joy of building a model for me has always been the fantasy factor. When no one is watching I still make engine noises and try to make it back to our base in England with just a "wing and a prayer". When building a model ship I take time to imagine the roll of the ship, and feel the cold spray of the North Atlantic or the muggy heat of the South Pacific. Maybe this sounds corny, but I think many of us have similar fantasies. I think the bare bones "universal" instructions of today's more widely available kits limit the learning and fantasy components of modeling. Presentation is important, and many kits today (except for box art) do a poor job of presenting the product. This does not attract young people, or anyone else, to the hobby. Dave Miller Macomb, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Models 4Sale First off, thanks to everyone who responded. Your thoughts and offers have been very much appreciated. The pickin's have gotten slim, I've reduced the prices, and a few new kits were found hidden in boxes. Durango Lamborgini Murcilago Diecast 1:18 $12 Testors Mustang Mach III Metal 1:43 $4 Fujimi Vought F7U-3 Cutlass 1:72 (sealed) $8 Matchbox Lockheed TF-104G Starfighter 1:72 (scuffed canopy) $2 Monogram Lockheed F-104C Starfighter 1:72 (sealed) $8 Monogram (Snap-tite) Martin B-26 Marauder 1:72 *ADDED* $5 Revell Mercury & Gemini Capsule 1:48 *ADDED* $10 Revell Apollo-Soyuz 1:96 *ADDED* $10 Mini-Hobby USS Arizona (BB-39) 1:700 $8 Tamiya USS Fletcher (DD-445) 1:700 $8 Revell USS Missouri (BB-63) 1:720 (parts off trees, but complete) $10 Revell USS Missouri (BB-63) 1:1200 Miniships $4 Email all inquiries and offers to california_bb44@chatter.com Thanks for looking. Derek Wakefield ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume