Subject: SMML VOL 1863 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:56:31 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Two 1/700 Hasegawa liner models: The" Yawata" Maru and the "Hikawa Maru" 2: Re: IPMS and other judges 3: Re: Judging ship models 4: Re: Chinese cruisers 5: Re: Nats and wood ships 6: large plane on Essex 7: Re: IPMS USA 8: Ex-Russian Carriers in China 9: Fleet Parade in San Francisco, October 12th 10: Re: I"P"MS 11: pow 5.25" armoured windows 12: NRG and Mariner's Museum Show -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: CALLING DONALD C. SMITH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: José A. de França Subject: Two 1/700 Hasegawa liner models: The" Yawata" Maru and the "Hikawa Maru" Hello everyone, A few months ago, I bought, from an American dealer (in the Internet), two Hasegawa 1/700 models of two Japanese ocean liners from between the two World Wars, the YAWATA MARU and the HIKAWA MARU. Ocean liners are my main modeling interest in the last few years. Now that I was about to start building the first one, I noticed, with dismay, that the instructions are only in Japanese. I'm an experienced modeller and I could try and build it only by looking to the pictures. But I'm also very rigourous and I have no clues on the colour scheme. I need to know the exact tones for painting before starting because many parts must be painted before assemblying... In Portugal, as in every other country of the European Union, it is not possible to sell any article without labeling and instructions in the nine European Union languages. I never thought that an article could be sold in the US without instructions in English. Now I got this problem to solve. The seller gave me a polite answer, but could not help me. I tried to find out the Hasegawa e-mail adress, so that I can write them and ask for instructions in English, but was unable to find it so far. Can anyone help me? The Hasegawa e-mail adress would be a precious help! Best regards to all!!! José A. de França Portugal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: IPMS and other judges Amen to Ted Tsaltas, I agree there is much more important things in life to be judged for. However, I do want to clarify something and that is exhibitions (non-judging), I think these are great and I do a lot of them with my art as they are non-threatening and you get a chance to see other works of art and the artist (or modelers in this case) and talk to people with the same interest. So I would like to see more of those and would probably throw a few of my own models in the mix. I suppose in retrospect you could enter some contests "if" you went into it without worrying about winning. I know my limitations and if I had to do a judged art show with someone like Ted Wilber - I would not even get out of my car!! Michael Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist http://www.navydaze.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: Judging ship models Victor, You took the words right out of my mouth!! Dave Judy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: GGeGratz@aol.com Subject: Re: Chinese cruisers Hi! When you have mentioned Warship International,did you had mentioned the Chinese Imperial Navy article OR the Elswick cruisers/The second shows a Elswick model of the Chi Yuen 3 8.2 in Krupp gunned 18 knots ship. George Gratz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Rod Millard" Subject: Re: Nats and wood ships There were 10 ships in the sailing division this year at the Nats. Three wood and seven plastic. (The Constitution was in the scratch catagory) I know because two of the plastics were mine. After the awards where presented 1st was wood 2nd plastic 3rd plastic OOB plastic. To me thats a good showing for plastic modelers. I myself prefer plastic modeling but like to see any good ship model. We have a place for both types of material if this helps the catagory grow and gets us more entries. Perhaps the catagory could be split to bring more modelers from both groups to the show. I know that there are plastic ship modelers that won't come because of being intimidated by the wood ships that would be against them.But also believe there are wood modelers that don't come because we are a plastic group mainly. I believe if you were able to build a ship model and just bring it to the Nationals you were a winner. Because alot of folks got to admire your art. Rod Millard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Robert Morris" Subject: large plane on Essex Franklyn: The plane you asked about looks like a P 2 Neptune. This was a ASW plane prior to the P 3 Orion. Getting it off could be done with rocket assist. Probably hoisted on with a crane. In October 63' there were tests on the Forrestal with a C-130. The 130 was flown on and off. No tail hook and no catapault. The engines on a 130 reverse. The pilot went to full reverse when the LSO gave the cut signal then stood on the brakes. The can get wheels clear at around 100 knots. With a 20 or 30 knot headwind not much additional speed is needed to get off. Acceleration is comparable a Camaro. Conclusion was no real problems getting on and off but the deck was essentially close to everthing else until the 130 left. A guy in my Air Force unit was a photographer on the Forrestal when the tests were run. He was flying in a chopper taking pics. Had a whole notebook of pics. He said they used half to 3/4 of the deck to stop. Robert Morris North Benton OH USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Bruce Burden Subject: Re: IPMS USA From: SantMin@aol.com >> And don't forget, even under the old rules some PE and all resin was allowable. << Actually, the old rules required that a model be 75% plastic. So, metallic figures and flats were right out, except they obviously were in. The biggest problem I had with the 75% rule was: 75% of what? weight? volume? parts? And, how would you ever verify it? It was a rule that was impossible to enforce. And, if you can't enforce it, why bother to have it in the first place? Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Kelvin Mok Subject: Ex-Russian Carriers in China Find this hard to believe but that's what the post says. >> Russian aircraft carrier turned into theme park 07/30/2002 China Daily The port city of Tianjin plans to spend 5 billion yuan (US$602 million) on a large military theme park centred around a decommissioned Russian aircraft carrier. The 7-square-kilometre park will have a weapons display along with sightseeing and defence education areas as well as a 3.3-million-square-metre marine area. However, the project still needs an administrative go-ahead from the local government, according to Yang Weiguo, of the Beiyang Recreational Harbour Shipping Corp, the park developer. He gave no further explanation. If all goes as planned, the park will be the final resting place for the Kiev, a 27-year-old carrier that a Tianjin company bought for 70 million yuan (US$8.4 million), according to the Beiyang web. The new owner had originally planned to cut the vessel up for scrap. The carrier was decommissioned in 1995 and has been stripped of engines, weapons and communications equipment. In August 2000, the Kiev managed to arrive at Tianjin and in May 2001 was sent on to nearby Qinhuangdao port for repairs. Chinese admirers of aircraft carriers have shown a great deal of interest in it, with 2,000 tourists visiting the Kiev each day on average while workers were putting it in shape. In the past year, it has attracted at least a million people to Qinhuangdao for its summer tourism, according to the city's tourism bureau. During the two-day International Children's Day holiday, 200,000 people, many from Beijing and northeastern provinces, visited the Kiev. The carrier will be towed back to Tianjin in September, officials said. This is not China's first foreign carrier. In South China, the city of Shenzhen, near Hong Kong, beat the northerners to the mark in 2000 when it opened the first aircraft carrier theme park - Minsk World- using another decomissioned aircraft carrier from the former Soviet Union, the Minsk. More than 2.5 million people have visited the park ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Henry T. Chen" Subject: Fleet Parade in San Francisco, October 12th Hi SMMLies, Anyone with more info on this subject? Unlike the previous years, this year it will take place on the 2nd weekend of October!! Have a great weekend everybody! Henry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "David Miller" Subject: Re: I"P"MS Now back in the old days . . . The idea was to promote "plastic" modeling. It was very specific! So either change the name or stick to your guns. Personally, I agree with Bob Santos, I always thought it was interesting to see what could be done with PLASTIC. I have no problem with mediums such as metal or wood, but let them compete in their own category. I lost interest in IPMS back in the old Lincoln, NE days and have not been a member since, so my comments are meaningless to the current club anyway. Just throwing in my loose change, With regard to judging, I used to judge ships in 1980's. Many a fine model with hours and hours of work was summarily dismissed for basic flaws such as seams, a glue spot or even absurd weathering. I have seen out-of-the-box 1/600 Airfix kits that were perfectly executed blow away much larger models with hundreds of manhours in them. Lastly, in Regionals I have seen categories where no ship model "placed" because all of the entries had basic flaws, therefore only honorable mention was given. This from a man who thinks IPMS was too picky! Basic flaws are killers. I used to stop as soon as I saw one, and moved on to the next entry. Now if only I could build models like that! David Miller Palm Bay, FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "stuart page" Subject: pow 5.25" armoured windows As a fairly new ship modeller and first time user of photo-etched brass parts, i rushed into the fine work of fixing the brass parts onto my tamiya 1/350 prince of wales, only to find that it did not go exactly as i planned and the 5.25" armoured windows were not as straight as i wanted them. Since then i have seen some amazing models on the internet and have been inspired by the hard work and detail that has gone into them that i am prepared to put as much time into making my model as it takes so it will have the super fine detail that i have seen in so many other models. The only problem i have now is that i have to strip off the armoured windows and somehow replace them as neatly as they would be on the actual ship itself. Therefore i have a few questions if anyone can help me:- 1. How can i place the armoured windows onto the 5.25" guns in a nice neat line and nice and square? 2. What is the best glue to use for photo-etched parts as the one i use is a bit thick and messy even when applying with a paper clip? 3. Is it possible to buy some super small drill bits to bore out the 5.25" guns? 4. How is it possible to give the ship a more realistic look of painted steel rather than it looking too plastic? 5. How can i give the decks a more realistic wooden look? Any help and tips would be very grateful as i have a lot of learning to do in order to make my ship exactly the way that i want it. Thank you. Yours faithfully, Stuart Page ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Jeff Herne, NJAHOF" Subject: NRG and Mariner's Museum Show Bob, My apologies, I was referring to the Mariner's Museum Show. I remember reading the rules a few years ago...and they are strict regarding what can and cannot be used in specific categories...not regarding materials specifically, but I do remember that using any form of commerical photoetch takes you out of the scratchbuilt category...so...for example, if I used Tom's or GMM or Rusty's railings on a model, it couldn't go into the scratchbuilt category unless I did my own photoetching...but the point I was trying to make is that the rules appeared to be well-defined and concise. Competitions always bring man's primal instinct to be superior to the next guy....some are not as diplomatic about it as others...we've all dealt with it...I walk into a contest, I'm happy if I place, I'm not upset if I don't, unless something is 'obviously' wrong with the final decisions...in which case, I chalk it up to experience, and if it means that much to the parties involved, they can have the award... Victor Baca's comments about his Intrepid lifeboat and the teary-eyed coastie will always have far more impact than any award. Giving someone a visual of a part of his/her life, and seeing the raw emotion attached, is worth more than any plaque or award. Jeff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: CALLING DONALD C. SMITH Donald C. Smith, of Baltimore recently placed an order with us. 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