Subject: SMML VOL 1868 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:19:12 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Russian guns 2: Rigging sizes 3: Fresh Air 4: Let's call it a draw 5: Large Aircraft on Carriers 6: Lie? Horrors! 7: HMS Nottingham & "FRASIER" 8: Spanish DEDALO questions 9: Re: IRMS 10: superglue ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: QMHE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ted0330@aol.com Subject: Re: Russian guns I'm not sure which you refer to, or what era. In WW2, Russian tank castings were left rough to speed production. You can see this in many pics of T-34s. Soviet armor, and other weapons, were then and still are simpler and coarser than US equivalents. They are also very hardy and easy to fix, making them popular among third wrld nations. Ted Tsaltas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Rigging sizes I submit that two of the numerous signatures of a careful modeler are: 1) careful attention to sizes (diameters) and materials of rigging. Some of the older sailing vessels had two colors of hempen lines, tan for running rigging (that which ran through blocks and fairleads etc.) and black for standing rigging (that which remained pretty much in place, such as shrouds etc.) which was often tarred, hence the color. Chains were used in some instances as well. The lines were of different sizes as needed. Post-sailing ships frequently used steel cable (wire rope) at first, then almost exclusively, except for halyards etc. This too came in different sizes, and can be simulated (faked?) by the careful use of straight steel wire. 2) careful attention to the placement and type of through-the-wetted-hull (below the waterline) fittings for the intake and discharge of water as needed. These fittings are often overlooked, but in small scale they can be simulated by small washers glued to the hull, and a small drop of black paint deposited in the hole of the washer. Large scale affords the opportunity to be more precise. As that old-time movie star Boris Karloff used to say, "Expediment". Both items above require some research on the part of the modeler, but hey, that's part of the hobby too. I try to be "careful", it draws attention away from my lack of skill, especially if I expound on details before anyone notices. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Fresh Air Hello, I just wanted to emphasis a point. After a debate about the Rules of the IPMS Nationals, in which some rather unkind words were spoken. The most recent postings about the advent of computer designed Photo etch was an example for us all to keep in mind. The Postings by Bob Santos, Rusty White and Loren Perry are a fine example of how people SHOULD discuss disagreements and or Misunderstandings. The High level of Professionalism shown not only in the discussion but in the fact that Loren Perry was willing to support Rusty's statement when others might not have bothered, shows how people of a common interest should deal with each other. Happily, most people on this site do conduct themselves in this manner, but it never hurts to say "Thank you" when people do. Thank You, Gentlemen for helping to keep this site on a higher level, and in doing so, making a most pleasant break when it arrives each day. Thanks Again. Richard Sweeney ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Let's call it a draw >> But in all fairness, it was indeed Rusty White who pioneered 100% computer-generated artwork for PE ship detailing sets. I give him full credit for forcing GMM into the computer age all the way. Our first 100% CAD-generated ship detailing products were the 1/350 Emden, the 1/350 Modern USN Warship, and the 1/700 CVE/CVL sets. And our entire range for N and HO scale model railroaders was computer-generated from Day One. << Let's call it and draw. That puts me in pretty good company. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Purchase online with your Visa/Amex/Discover/MasterCard http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Paul Borchers Subject: Large Aircraft on Carriers Another large aircraft to land on a carrier without arresting gear was an experimental aircraft that NASA Ames Research Center developed in the 1970s, the Quiet Short-Haul Research Aircraft (QSRA). At NASA's direction, Boeing modified a deHavilland C-8A Buffalo aircraft, replacing its two turboprops with four jet engines that directed their exhaust over the upper surface of a modified wing. The principle is similar to that used to generate lift for slow takeoff and landing with the Air Force C-17. The aircraft operated aboard U.S.S. Kitty Hawk in 1980, without requiring arresting gear or catapult launch. Unlike the C-130, you can't reverse the thrust on these engines by changing propeller pitch, and jet thrust reversers were not used. I was fortunate to see this aircraft during one of its last research flights in the early 1990s, and it was amazing to see how slowly it could fly. Pictures of the tests aboard the Kitty Hawk can be seen on these pages: http://ails.arc.nasa.gov/Images/Aeronautics/AC80-0641-3.html http://ails.arc.nasa.gov/Images/Aeronautics/AC80-0613-3.html http://ails.arc.nasa.gov/Images/Aeronautics/AC80-0613-4.html To bring this back into the modeling discussion, no one seems to make models of these specialized NASA aircraft. This might represent the ultimate scratchbuilding/diorama opportunity for someone, as I don't think you'll find many NASA aircraft at sea! Paul Borchers P. S. Check out the other images on http://ails.arc.nasa.gov/Images/Aeronautics/index.html#air if you want to see some interesting winged things that were flown at NASA Ames/Ames Aeronautical laboratories over the years (like an SBD-1 Dauntless, F6F-3 Hellcat, and the YAV-8B Harrier). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Lie? Horrors! Hi group, I do not lie at the IPMS shows, I CHEAT, that is much more enjoyable. Happy modelling Keith Butterley PS: Rusty, I am kidding. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: HMS Nottingham & "FRASIER" Was told last night that the captain of the Nottingham has had his charges dropped in regards to his ship running aground as he was away from the ship dealing with his injured crew member..so guess the 2iC/Xo will cop the flak now.. but I thought the captain was responsible 24/7 of his ship & crew , guess that does not apply if the captain is off the ship.. are captains responsible for crew while on leave cuz I seem to recall a US navy captain being court marshalled for something some of his crew did while on shore leave or something? Also was watching a repeat of Frasier on Tv last nite & they were working on a old sailing ship kit..large box, couldn't make out the name of the ship or company & they were discussing the classes of old ships (sloop, brigantines etc) & someone asked what is a frigate..and the father said its when you don't give a damn..guess you had to be there to enjoy it ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Miguel Costa" Subject: Spanish DEDALO questions Hello friends, I'm making the Spanish Aircraft carrier Dedalo at 1/700 (Skywave kit), I have many information, but i have some doubts, so I ask for you assistance. The Dedalo has four fire director radars for the Bofors, what was the exact locations?, do you have any photos of it? There were the fire directors MK 63 (2) & MK 57 (2), and the radars the Mk28 & Mk 29. The Dedalo has had 3 different deck signals in Spanish service, the first was the starting signals as for American service (roundels with crosses), the last very similar to the LPH Nassau, and the one in the middle when the Harriers start to operate in the Dedalo. I'm searching for any reference or photos of this intermediate signals. Many thanks Miguel Costa Simon Palma de Mallorca Spain ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: IRMS >> OK I am stupid, why is there not an IRMS for Resin only?? Seems to me that there is always going to be some sort of division, whether, professional or personal between plastic modelers and resin modelers << Mike, first you are not stupid. That is a valid question. Most people do not think of resin as "plastic" when models pop to mind. The plastic used in traditional kits is polystyrene. Plastics are a large group of organic compounds, usually petroleum derived, that can be molded or extruded into specific shapes. Resin is indeed a plastic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: " Kjetil Lindahl" Subject: superglue My intention was not to say that superglue cannot be used for PE, it works fine. I just suggested that if you have problems with aligning an assembly before it sets, as somebody posted they had, there are alternatives that set slower and are easier to remove and clean up if you make a mistake. Sorry if it came out wrong. Kjetil Lindahl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: QMHE G'day all, Now that the minor modelling show in the US is over ;-), who is going to the Queensland Model & Hobby Expo on the 24th/25th August in Brisbane? For more details on the event check out their site at: qhme.com We are attending as traders (SANDLE Hobbies) and would like to meet all the SMMLies who are planning to go. All the best, Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume