Subject: SMML VOL 1875 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:22:15 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Airfix 1/600 HMS Daring Instructions 2: Re: USS DIXIE 3: Computer problems 4: Re: Paint Jobs 5: Re: One for you Russian fans out there 6: What went into a WWII ship? 7: Re: One for you Russian fans out there 8: Re: CCCP 9: Re: USS Batfish 10: Re: Model paint jobs, etc 11: Re: here's one for you russian fans out there -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Your Very Own Russian DDG--For Free ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: Airfix 1/600 HMS Daring Instructions Hi all, I'm after a set of instructions for the Airfix Daring - does anybody have a set they can scan? Thanks in advance. Regards, Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: USS DIXIE Thanks all for the info on the DIXIE - and yes I will get some more resin/PE experience before I tackle that project. I sort of grew up with the Dixie - saw her a lot at Long Beach Naval Shipyard when I was a kid. Right Doug, USS BATFISH all the way up in Oklahoma in Muskogee. Last time I saw her she still had that list due to the flooding that left her originally high and dry, but you get used to it. Nice thing about it that you get a view of the outer torpedo doors - all you have to do is just walk up to them (they even let you touch them!). Cheers, Michael Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist http://www.navydaze.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "melee" Subject: Computer problems Have had computer problems and lost all my emails..again. Looking for 2 SMMLers.......Henry and Melvin. Send me a letter Lee Shackelford Linkou, Taiwan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "David L. Miller" Subject: Re: Paint Jobs I agree that some models may be given paint jobs that are too pristine and do not reflect the way the real ship actually appears. On the other hand, some commercial vessels are kept in very brite condition. The case in point would be the Smit line of seagoing tugs; they are kept in immaculate appearance. I think I once read that the standing order on Smit vessels is that any scrape or stain should be painted within two hours of its occurrence. Dave Miller Macomb, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: One for you Russian fans out there >> I was asked what CCCP on old russian equipment stands for I figure it was initials of Russia/USSR in their own script << My transliteration skills may be a bit rusty, but CCCP translates as the initials of the late Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The Cyrillic "C" is pronounced as an "S" in English and the "P" as an English "R", so it comes out very roughly as Soyuz Sowiet Sozialistiche Respublic. I will now stand by to be chastised by whoever is charged with maintaining the purity of the Russian language. Hope this is what you wanted, Roland Mar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Doug Wilde Subject: What went into a WWII ship? When I started researching the USS Wolverine (IX64) and USS Sable (IX81) I wondered what all went aboard the ships. Well I found, and just finished transcribing, two revealing documents: Equipment List Part I (Hull) and Part II (Supplies) These were attached to a 16 March 1943 letter from SupShip, Cleveland, to the Comdt. NY Navy Yard. What went into a 26' motor whaleboat? How many coils of fishing line on an aircraft training vessel (they never really were carriers)? How much bunting? How much toilet paper? How many leg irons? How many potato mashers? The officers were allotted more changes of bed linen and more blankets than enlisted men. I strove for as accurate a transcription as possible, including changes in spacing and misspelled words. After a while I could tell when a new typist started. And some were civilian. How else could men be berthed on the "orlon" deck? The .doc files are Word. The .wpd files are WordPerfect. I typed into WordPerfect and then converted to Word, so the spacing and such are a little different, but passable. You may download from: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dbwilde/GL%20Carriers/ Enjoy Doug Wilde ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: RDChesneau@aol.com Subject: Re: One for you Russian fans out there >> I was asked what CCCP on old russian equipment stands for I figure it was initials of Russia/USSR in their own script << Yep, in Cyrillic script C = S and P = R, so "Soyuz Sovietski Socialistichiski Respublika" or Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (if my memory cells are still functioning properly). And now for something completely different... Judging: Charlie, I agree. Decades ago I used to judge IPMS-UK ship modelling classes. One year the sailing ship category had a lone entry that was, to be frank, pretty awful. I couldn't bring myself to give it any award - the ten-year-old kids I taught at that time could have done a much better job - and so I didn't. It may be coincidence, but I was never invited back again!!! And now for something else completely different... Trade news: The first two titles in the Chatham Publishing "Shipcraft" series - Pocket Battleships and King George V Class Battleships - are more or less ready for press. Publication is provisionally due this autumn. Each book is 64pp, half in colour, and has career notes, appearance details, related model products, showcase models, plans, and paint scheme/camouflage sections. Subjects for the next two titles will be selected soon, provisionally for spring 2003 publication. Roger www.rogerchesneau.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Peter Samolinski" Subject: Re: CCCP Yes, in the Cyrillic alphabet C=the English S and P=the English R. Since the Russian word for Union started with "C" ("S"), the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, when initialized, came out as CCCP. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: USS Batfish >> Speaking of, has anyone been to the USS Batfish exhibit lately? Is it still worth the trip? << Went last summer on the long convoluted IPMS Nationals trip from Atlanta to Chicago (family in Oklahoma) - it is still there and still in pretty good shape. The boat is not in her WW2 configuration, but it is close. She is in the modified post-war refit she got in 52. Looking at the photos here is what I see: She is high & dry - less rusting than most other boats No TT doors = good looks at the internal structure! Port side anchor hangs from the deck, yielding details of the hawse pipe Portsmouth Yard boat, with a sail similar to my "Bluefish" set No MG platforms on sail - the weld patches are still visible No deck guns - the foundations are still there, though The access is thru the TT loading hatches - and the view to the superstructure is open, yielding lots of details She has the extra radar mast, and what looked like a SV mounting, but no radar She does have the older SJ radar abaft #2 scope She still looks the way she did when she got stuck in Muskogee back in the 60s. The Navy really butchered this sub during her mods to a training boat, but the museum and the boat are well worth the day trip and the $5 to get in. James Corley AAA Hobby Supply email: aaahobby@earthlink.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Model paint jobs, etc When Ted Treadwell commented on the overall "neat-as-a-pin" appearance of my model of a W W 1 subchaser, he touched on a problem I had indeed wrestled with, and has been the subject of a recent thread on SMML. We all take pride in our models, and like to have them look as nice as possible, even though that may not be truly representative of the vessel's condition in real-life. An advantage of using keel blocks and a dry-dock environment to mount the model for display is that you can represent the vessel as having just completed a major overhaul and is now ready to be refloated (if that is a correct term) for service. Therefore having everything spic-and-span, neat-as-pin, in Bristol fashion, etc. is a reasonable assumption. Avoiding shiny paint (use clear Dull Cote, or equivalent) also adds realism. When researching the sub chasers, I saw many photos of them in port, and they where an ungodly mess, much of the time, making a teen-ager's room look like a typical Japanese home by comparison. The decks would be strewn with hawsers and lines of every description, loose gear af all kinds, etc. The wooden hulls were often built in a war-time rush fashion by people of sometimes questionable skills using unseasoned lumber. As a result it was well nigh impossible to keep the crew's quarters (bedding, clothing, etc.) dry. Therefore whenever the boats were not under way, the wet mattresses, clothing, laundry, etc. were often hung to dry in every available space. Now I didn't think this would be a respectful or fair representation, realistic as it may be, of the vessels and the niche they filled in service. Therefore this consideration was another factor that favored mounting the model on keel blocks. Another reason for not emulating rust etc. is that in some sense, a model is like a portrait, intended to present the subject in a rather positive manner. Most people who see your model would react negatively to a disheveled appearance, regardless of how authentic it may be. In the words of the sixties, "It would be counter-productive". An exception to this theme would be a model of a wrecked or sunken ship (present condition of the U.S.S ARIZONA, or of the U.S.S. MONITOR as found, or of PT 109, of RMS TITANIC, etc., for example). Modern marine archeology can furnish a wealth of information on this subject. In this case, accuracy becomes a dominant objective. Although I personally don't like human figures on a model, I concede that they do help to convey a sense of scale, and therefore I do use them, albeit sparingly. You could add a few shipyard workers to the floor of your dry-dock, for a diorama effect, to add realism. Some staging and equipment would not be inappropriate. Try it, you just might like it. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: here's one for you russian fans out there >> I was asked what CCCP on old russian equipment stands for I figure it was initials of Russia/USSR in their own script << Close, Andrew. CCCP is the Cyrillic script for USSR, or Union of Soviet Socialists Republic. Mike Settle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Your Very Own Russian DDG--For Free Well, not the real Russian ship, it's a plastic representation in 1/200th but what a beaut! And with a 30.75" long hull, it'll be a lot easier to hide from your wife. Trumpeter's Sovremenny class DDG will be given away free to one of our subscribers in Model Ship Journal's Autumn issue drawing. We will draw the name for the main catagory winner (Sovremenny) and a few other surprise items will be drawn as well, so there will be at least three winning subscribers in the draw. Cindy Arnett will perform the honors on 28 August, so get those subscriptions in if you want a chance to see the mailman bearing styrene in a really big box! The drawing is totally computer controlled, so we have no influence on who the winner will be. This is a huge, nicely crafted kit with some photoetched parts as well. It's also famous, being the same model we photographed and reviewed in the Summer '02 issue. I know you'll like it. I did--until Cindy pried it from my hands and said, "Ohhhh--nice kit-this'll be perfect for my next drawing." That's OK, though, I know a super ship modeler who's building one and using that outstanding WEM PE set to really jazz up the kit. Read all about his built-up model in MSJ shortly. Oh, my lawyer says to add, "Void where prohibited by law." And I'd like to add, Good Luck! Still a bargain at $35.00/year and if you win one of the prizes, that's almost like getting it for free! Visa, Master Card, checks, money orders cheerfully accepted. Call or fax me toll-free in U.S. at 877-371-0290 (360-371-0290 outside U.S.) or e-mail. Snail mail checks to: PHOTOMARINE ARCHIVES Model Ship Journal P.O. Box 28516 Bellingham, WA 98228-0516 www.modelshipjournal.com Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume