Subject: SMML VOL 1876 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:13:23 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Your Very Own Russian DDG 2: Re: One for you Russian fans out there 3: Submarine escape hatches 4: Re: patrol craft models for book 5: Strange submarines 6: Royal Navy Cruiser 7: Re: CCCP 8: Russian and pizza boxes 9: Re: To rust or not to rust ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: Re: Your Very Own Russian DDG No, not the excellent give-away from Model Ship journal, but something for the guy who likes 1:1 scale projects! How about a WHISKEY class submarine? http://www.b-americanboats.com/whiskeysub.html Or an ARROW class torpedo boat? http://www.b-americanboats.com/torpedoboat.html Matt Prager Lovin' life in the Persian Gulf ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: One for you Russian fans out there >> I will now stand by to be chastised by whoever is charged with maintaining the purity of the Russian language. Hope this is what you wanted, << Roland, I'm not going to chastise you, but having seen the statue of old Felix on the Loebjanka a number of times when I lived in the USSR (about 10 months before it ceased to exist) I should point out that you were usually not chastised for a mistake like that in the good old days....You got an inviation to the Loebjanka and a decently timed heart attack after that. Met strijdbare groeten, Pieter Cornelissen Delft, the Netherlands ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Submarine escape hatches Hi Guys I have been working on a 1/400 scale Type 2A U-2 sub by Mirage and in the pre war art work on the box which is realistic that pre war U-Boats had their escape hatchs painted with red and white stripes similiarly to Russian subs. So I got curious and looked at other countries and possibly Italian subs carried this on the escape hatch as well. So is this copy catting by those countries or was there any treaty agreements that called for this? Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "S B" Subject: Re: patrol craft models for book Bill, Your e-mail keeps bouncing back a reply as not available. If your interested I have a PGM that is in 1/72nd scale and will be complete in a few days. Thanks Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Michael London" Subject: Strange submarines At the behest of Franklyn Brown, a frequent contributor to this forum, I am passing on some notes on what must be the strangest submarines ever built. These were the huge (for their day) British K and M Classes of WW 1. The K Class had steam turbines and were capable of 24 knots on the surface while 4 electric motors propelled them at 9.5 knots when submerged. Intended for close operation with the fleet their low profile made them difficult to see and in constant danger of being run down when in company with other ships. A total of 17 were built to be followed by an "Improved K Class" of which only one, K 26 was completed. They could retract their funnels and be otherwise ready for diving in 30 seconds. They were armed initially with 10 - 18 in TT reduced to 8 when a pair of revolving mounts on the superstructure were found to be too exposed to operate in any sort of sea. They carried 1 - 3in gun and 1 - 76mm AA. After early experience they were fitted with modified bows, described as swan bows, which improved their seakeeping qualities. K 1 was lost in a collision in Nov 1917 and K 5 to an unknown cause in 1921. K 13 sank on trials in January 1917, was salved and renumbered K 22. The most dramatic losses occurred in January 1918 off May Island in what became sardonically known as "The Battle of May Island". A number of the class were in company when K 22 (the unfortunate ex K 13) suffered a jammed rudder and began to circle out of control. In the ensuing confusion several collisions occurred with K 4 and K 17 both being sunk. Most were broken up in the early twenties. With the later K Class being cancelled another group of large submarines was started, this time with conventional machinery but with a far from conventional armament. Their main armament was a single 12in gun retrieved from disarmed pre-dreadnought battleships. This was capable of being fired with the submarine at periscope depth and aimed through the periscope. Only three were completed. M 1 served briefly in the war but was later sunk in collision with a merchantman in 1925. With the Washington Treaty limiting submarine guns to a maximum of 8in M 2 and M 3 had their 12in guns removed and were refitted as a seaplane carrier and minelayer respectively. It would be interesting to know if anyone knows of anything like these monsters being built or envisaged by any other navy. The closest probably being the French Surcouf, launched in 1929, with her twin 8in guns and a seaplane. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: David Wells Subject: Royal Navy Cruiser Fellow SMMLlies, I'm doing some Airfix kit bashing, and I'd like some opinions on doing a relatively easy conversion: an Airfix HMS Tiger hull, and a bunch of Airfix HMS Belfast parts. I figure that I ought to be able to make either a Crown Colony class or a Swiftsure class without too much difficulty. I'd like to make one of these in post-WWII peacetime configuration. In the interests of simplicity, I'd like to re-use as many Airfix parts as possible. I'm particularly concerned about the forward superstructure. BTW: I do have a copy of Ian Fleming's March 1978 article on Tiger conversions, (from the old Airfix magazine) but found that it lacked detail on finishing the forward superstructure. Ideas? Comments? Suggestions? David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today" Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Doug Bauer" Subject: Re: CCCP I just hadda throw my two cents in on this one. CCCP is the Cyrillic abbreviation for "Soyuz Sovyetskeekh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik. Doug Bauer Poway, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Jim Subject: Russian and pizza boxes Of course this would be in cyrrilic but USSR=SSSR=CCCP Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsiologicheskikh Respublic=Union of Soviet Socialist Republics English S is Cyrillic C, R is P Pizza Boxes in my house hold sheets of decals for me and are the greatest storage facillity I've yet found for my son's LEGOs. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: To rust or not to rust >> Another reason for not emulating rust etc. is that in some sense, a model is like a portrait, intended to present the subject in a rather positive manner. Most people who see your model would react negatively to a disheveled appearance, regardless of how authentic it may be. In the words of the sixties, "It would be counter-productive". << I don't agree. My Tamiya Fletcher took third at the Nats this year and it was heavily weathered with rust (pastels) and dirt (a wash). What I tend to use as guide (not for judging) for weathering or not is whether the model is put in the water. IMHO once the model is put on a realistic water base then the model should represent the real thing including weathering. Weathering a model to enter in competition is always a risk. Some judges just don't like weathering on models and tend to look down on weathered models from the get-go. Then they have to judge how well the weathering is done. Is it overdone? Does it look like real rust? These things are more of an opinion and that's where the risk to weather models for competition comes in. So the risk is up to the modeler. A model mounted on a base (not in the water) IMHO represents an accurate representation of the real thing. Sort of like a rendering. You don't see many illustrations of ships, a/c, or armor with all the heavy weathering that inevitably occurs in real life. Just my opinion. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. 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