Subject: SMML VOL 1879 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:11:43 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: The Pyro Maine 2: Re: K-Boats 3: Sub site 4: project apollo prime recovery ships 5: Interesting item on eBay 6: Re: The Joys of Rust 7: Re: Weathering ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: The Pyro Maine Maybe I missed something in school, or maybe there is something strange with the weather, but there is an old Pyro USS Maine being auctioned and the bid is over $200. I could have had a couple of these last year for $50 each . . . can they really be worth that much to a collector and/or modeler? Take a look at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1758160159 Regards, RhinoBones ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Richa5011@aol.com Subject: Re: K-Boats Michael London wrote: >> Don Everitt in his book "K Boats, Steam-Powered Submarines in World War 1" has what is probably more realistic figure of a minimum of 3 minutes, 25 seconds. << Mr. Everitt's book is the best source I have seen on the K's...highly recommend this book to anyone interested in these unique boats. The French navy also built several different designs of steam powered subs, the earliest was the Argonaute, begun in 1903, launched in 05 and delivered in 11. All of these designs also required an extrodanary amount of time to prepare to dive. Nat Richards ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Sub site Jim Nolan (he of the U.S. Constitution Model Shipright Guild, located in Boston. Mass.) told me about an excellent website for anyone interested in any aspect of German submarines, any era, from their inception to the present. Although I do not have an in-depth (no pun intended) interest in these vessels, I was indeed impressed by the amount, quality, and type of information available, and recommend a visit to see for yourself. The address is: www.uboat.net Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Subject: project apollo prime recovery ships Just catching up on my e-mail for the weekend and I see in SMML issue 1872 that the list is only for the manned Apollo shots. Apollo 6,which was unmanned, went around the moon and returned to earth to be picked up by USS Okinawa (LPH-3) on 4 Apr 1968. I remember it well, because I was there. Overall, the recovery operations were carried out very well. All ships assigned to the job were made part of a Task Force (I think it was JTF134) and the entire force was awarded the Navy Meritorious Unit Citation for a job well done. If you model one of the ships in sufficiently large scale you may include the ribbon under the bridge. For projecy Mercury or Gemini the Hornet (CVS-12) was a prime recovery ship and carried an extra large tracking radar dish abaft the island. It was painted all White. Another detail for making an interesting model. Aryeh Wetherhorn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay I saw this item for sale at eBay. Model Art #360 Drawings Imp Jap Naval Ships 2 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1759431825 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: The Joys of Rust >> For example, in peacetime topside rust would almost never be seen on USN warships...the captain, first lieutenant and leading boatswain would have a collective stroke! Maybe just a hint of running rust from the scuppers down the ships sides after an extended underway period, but virtually nothing on the superstructure where the deck force could get at it even while underway...and the deck force would be over the side cleaning and painting as soon as the ship was back in port, even when the rest of the crew was on liberty. Lots of weathering, running rust and even patches of rusty bare metal are perfectly appropriate in wartime dioramas where the crews had other things on their minds than side cleaning...but are not correct in most peacetime settings. Merchant ships obviously have much smaller crews than combatants and get correspondingly more beaten up in appearance. << Joel, having been in and around the navy my entire life, I could not disagree more. Yes, they might have a stroke, but we'd be the ones set to stroking and chipping! Exactly why when I enlisted I chose an air rating!! I was visiting AirLant a few years back (95?), and ENTERPRISE had just returned that morning from a post-yard 6 day at-sea training evolution. The hull had light rust streaking from every imaginable spot where there was a joint or opening. True, the areas that could easily be reached were nearly spotless. The same week, I visited GUNSTON HALL which had been in port for four weeks (i.e., plenty of time to paint) post deployment and the thing was a rust bucket! The outside had a good amount of rust streaking but the well deck was almost as much red rust as it was grey. I guess they let everybody go home before they started putting her back together. The CPO who was showing me around had said she was due to enter the yard (which could be why she was looking so bad) and was going to be a test victim of a new type of paint that could withstand salt spray much better than the good old grey lead, and I understand the Navy has adopted new paints that mean the swabbies get to do less chipping and painting. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: Weathering Well, ......more 2 cent contributions on this weathering thing! As for being able to see these effects at distance.........one only needs to open any book on naval subjects, where you will find photos of ships at sea or at dockside, or in harbor, taken from various distances. In both cases one will see ships in various states of maintenence, or if you will, the lack of.. I have heard talk of ..."at this scale, your looking from a certain distance, so you would or would not see........." I believe the viewing distance of the model ( in the smaller scales ) varies to a point as to render mute any "rule" concerning scale distance. I have seen people look at models at distances from as much as 4 or 5 feet to a few inches. I personnally like both presentations, pristine or weathered, it mainly depends on my mood at the time........... Dave Judy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume