Subject: SMML VOL 1886 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:41:04 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Olympia 2: Re: HMS Prince of Wales' Escorts 3: Nitrogen vs compressor 4: Re: Why the Iowa's are not important 5: Re: Iowa's 6: Oilless or Oilled 7: USS Missouri camo scheme 8: Re: China Station Colours -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: They are back! - HMS Hood ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: David Fisher Subject: Olympia I suggest that you contact the Librarian (Megan Hahn Fraser) at the Independence Seaport Museum for information re: the Olympia. The email is mfraser@indsm.org. They are the "keepers" for the Olympia. Dave Fisher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: HMS Prince of Wales' Escorts >> I think I'll build the ships of Force Z in 1/350 scale. My question is, are there 1/350 models of the destroyer escorts, namely HMS Electra (H27), HMS Express (H61), HMS Tenedos (H04) and HMAS Vampire (D68)? What classes are these ships... << Electra and Express were sisters and belonged to the 'E' Class 1934. While I do not know the availability of 1/350 kits it would be simple to convert any 'C' or 'D' Class destroyer of the 1931/2 period which were very close in size and appearance. Vampire was a Group I 'V&W' Class, completed as a leader in 1917. They were the same dimensions as Group IV 'V' Class. Vampire differed from her sisters in having 6 21in TT while the Gp IV ships had either 5 or 6 TT. Tenedos was an 'S' Class ship completed in 1919. These are all large classes and naming sister ships would make a voluminous list. If you have a query about any particular ship I will be pleased to provide further info. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Doug Marrel" Subject: Nitrogen vs compressor Switch to completely dry CO2 and purchase a cylinder from your nearest homebrewing outlet for about what you rent for every year, and you will never have to rent again, just exchange/fill it will your homebrew supplier. Side benfit, you get to talk to guys knowledgable about brewing your own beer :). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: Why the Iowa's are not important John wrote: >> I don't know anything about what ships are available, or the whys and hows. I only know that we NEED them. Why? Simple answer: Naval Fire support, i.e. off-shore bombardment for the support of amphibious landings. Only the Iowas can supply the type of firepower that marines need to do this. The man any 5 inch guns (which is the 'main' gun of all our ships nowadays) just want cut it, either in range, hitting power or whatever. For more details, check out this website: http://usnfsa.com/ << John, respectively I must disagree. The discussion of whether the US battleships should be reactivated or not has been going on for years (10+???) in sci.military.naval If you do a Google search on that newsgroup for battleship you will get over 10,000 hits (that means 10,000 posted messages.) I typed battleship effectiveness and got around 400 hits. The bottom line is that the *US Navy* does not want 60 year old, obsolete, manpower intensive ships. The *US Navy* would like their proposed shipbuilding programs to be approved and funded. Almost all future designs have more firepower than current ships and significantly less crew required (in some cases around 130 for a cruiser sized vessel!) Missiles, newer guns, bombs and all kinds of other systems have a smaller overall system cost than trying to bring pre World War II designed ships into the 21st century. A combination of air power, missiles, and the next generation of guns can do everything the battleships can do without having to come within 20 miles of the target and being mission-killed very easily. Besides, the media call all the Navy's warships "Battleships" anyway, so the Navy already has all the battleships they need. ;-> Just my opinion, of course. 8-> Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http://www.uss-salem.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Re: Iowa's someone said that the Iowa's firepower is missed by the ground troops.. Unfortunately we all cant have everything.. Im sure the RAN would love a fleet of Arleigh Burkes.. the Americans would love to have big powerful warships with fewer crew...Britain would love to have something (mayship ships that don't run aground on foreign shores or rifles that don't jam up in combat, though I think that the rifle issue has now been fixed)...there are things that ground pounders or fly boys or sea dogs would love to have in their inventory, but we cant have everything all the time when we want it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "David L. Miller" Subject: Oilless or Oilled I would stick with compressed gas, and check out another supplier! I use a CO2 setup, and my supplier only charges an $80 refundable deposit for a tank. No "rent". Refills are about 8$. I bought a used regulator for $30. I recently got a second cylinder, so I do not run out of CO2 at an inopportune time. Stick with gas. I used a compressor for a few years and would never go back to one. Regards, Dave Miller Macomb, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ricjus001@aol.com Subject: USS Missouri camo scheme I am building a 1/350th Mighty Mo in Msr 22 camo. Question on painting. On the average, were the capstans, bollards, chocks, winches and other small deck items deck blue or gray? Is there an easy answer? I have seen photos of at least one ship with these items apparently deck blue. Justin D Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Barnum" Subject: Re: China Station Colours Dear All To add to the interest in the colour scheme. I have some photos of HMS Cumberland when she was serving on the China Station from 1929-1932 as part of the 5th Cruiser Squadron. Her colour scheme is White hull and Buff superstructure and funnels. An aerial photo of her in drydock at Hong Kong shows a black (?) CU on the roof of B turret. Another photo of her in a floating drydock at Singapore shows only one colour (red ?) from the waterline down. The roman numeral draught marks are white surrounded by a darker colour (black ?). A night photo in the same drydock shows what may be a red hull with black boot topping. All other photos have a very dark (black?) boot topping but this could be because of the film used at that period. The photos are from an album from one of her crew during the ships deployment. John Barnum Margate England ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "shaya" Subject: They are back! - HMS Hood http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/400hood.htm 1/400 scale Hoods are in again. 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