Subject: SMML VOL 1894 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:01:26 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Moniters 2: Re: RN Cruisers reference book 3: Looking for a model kit 4: Re: The History Channel 5: Re: HMS NELSON 6: Re: RN Cruisers of pre-dreadnought and dreadnought periods 7: Back to Strange Submarines 8: Japanese Mini-Sub located 9: Re: Bismarck and Prinz Eugen Paint Schemes 10: update on Nottinham 11: wreck from New England Maritime tragedy identified 12: Friedman Amphib History Book US $60 at Amazon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Just Arrived from WEM, 1/600 Upgrade Parts and ENTERPRISE PE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "James M. Pasquill, II" Subject: Re: Moniters A member wrote: >> I think it was David Okamura who suggested monitors. What a great idea! This is the solution for shore bombardment that has been used in the past by other navies although the USN has not gone that route in modern times. Monitors would be cheaper and expendable. The admirals would be less hesitant to take monitors in harm's way. If no 16 inch guns were available, there should be 8" guns available. They could be constructed very quickly. << And I, with a total lack of real knowledge of the subject but still willing to place myself in redicule's way, suggest moniters mounted on submarines. They could move in and out quickly from shore, are harder to find and target, you could possibly get more shots off than you could missles from the same platform, then move out and resurface someplace else and shoot off a few more. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: RN Cruisers reference book Michael, there isn't a comprehensive publication about RN cruisers akin to R.A. Burt's "British Battleships 1889-1904" and "British Battleships of WW I". You have to "scratch and scrape" I am affraid. To help you along a bit let me mention two important reference books not touched upon by the others : D.K. Brown "Warrior to Dreadnought" (1997)and "Grand Fleet"(?) both published in UK by Conway Maritime. I have only the first one but I find it indispensable. Althrou dealing mainly with battleships Brow's books describe also cruisers, topedo boats and destroyers. There are many illustrations and reproductions of the original drawings from NMM archives. Best wishes D.P ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: Looking for a model kit Hello to my fellow SMMLies! I'm looking for an Italeri 1/35 Frogmen and boat kit, whcih contains divers and zodiac inflatable boat and outboard. Does anyone happen to have one around that they would be willing to part with? Thanks, Matt Prager ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: royrichey@att.net Subject: Re: The History Channel In addition to the inaccuracies that appear there is also the lack of information. I have seen more than once that fail to include something that might detract from the item they are trying to present. On of the most glaring ommissions that I saw was in a 'Battle of Britian' documentary. It tells haw the RAF was saved because the German's shifted from military to civilian targets, evil Germans. They left out that the British targeted civilian areas on a regular basis and that the Germans were retaliating. Not to defend the German side, but they failed to mention that the British weren't innocent either. If they are going to tell the story, they should tell the whole thing. 'It may not be accurate, but it is the truth' newspaper philosophy. Roy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: HMS NELSON Dear Sir, Come back to me in a weeks time wehen I'am sober. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: RN Cruisers of pre-dreadnought and dreadnought periods >> Would anyone know of a good reference book, or books, for Cruisers? I'm mainly interested in Royal Navy Cruisers of the pre-dreadnought and dreadnought era. << The Italian Storia della Marina Profili series,while dealing with all types of warships of all nations, has some RN cruisers of the period in question. Volumes 7 and 8 cover this period and include profiles and plans in color of the following:- [Vol 7] Shannon 1878; Imperieuse 1884; Blake 1889; Powerful 1905. [Vol 8] Good Hope 1904; Attentive 1905; Duke of Edinburgh 1905; Amethyst 1907; Monmouth 1910; Sydney (Aus) 1914; Chester 1916; Aurora 1917; Caledon 1918. Colors, being inks, are not all that accurate. Text, of course is in Italian. The series covers battleships, cruisers, destroyers, submarines etc. of many navies. Published by Fabbri Editori Milano. Sorry but I do not have an address. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Michael London" Subject: Back to Strange Submarines I am indebted to Michael Taylor for sending a picture of a British K Class model in 1:350 from Pit Roads Combat Sub series. It is a very fine model of an unusual boat. Also to add information not previously included. These boats were huge for the era, 339 feet long. They had two retractable funnels for the boiler, and had a neutral bouyancy displacement of 2600 tons. There were 3 propulsion systems, steam turbines, diesel engines, and electric motors. The boilers were oil-fired ("stoker" was a W W 1 era rating, not a job), Deck armament consisted of one 3" and two 4"guns. Two torpedo tube fired abeam ("why" escapes me). The entire class of boat was plagued with design flaws, equipment failure, and crew errors. Living and working conditions tended to lead to demoralization amongst the crews. Four of the K boats were later altered into the non-steam driven M class boats (with the 12" guns), which were also crew killers. Many people are not aware that in 1954 the U.S. also launched a steam-driven submarine, with a much more successful career, the atomic-powered U.S.S. Nautilus. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Henry Blecha Subject: Japanese Mini-Sub located A research team from the University of Hawaii has located the fourth of a possible five Japanese mini-subs that were in operation off the Hawaiian island of Oahu prior to Dec 7th. The sub was located some four miles off the entrance to Pearl Harbor in approximately 400 feet of water. Recovery may be a problem since the torpedos are still on board. I understand the Japanese government has been contacted regarding any recovery of the sub and its occupants!! This is the sub that was attacked and sunk by the USS Ward prior to the Dec 7th events at Pearl Harbor. I understand there is an article and video available on the Honolulu Advertiser website at . All the best Henry Blecha ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Frank Allen Subject: Re: Bismarck and Prinz Eugen Paint Schemes Bismarck's superstructure was and still is lighter than her hull. Suggest everyone see the following for some very accurate camouflage schematics, by a gentleman who has both researched the paint scheme for years, plus has physically been to the wreck: http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/paintbism1941rheinubung.html Can't comment on PG (Prinz Eugen) much other than to say I just watched the entire "Schmalenbach" film. In the scenes after Bergen, Norway, PG most definitely had dark (grey I assume) panels on the top of her turrets (the flat center panels only). Not only that, but the top of her conning tower had a dark grey roof. Other than that, the paintwork on the things above deck is very light (of course, one can't see the hull) with the exception of the bollards- very black. She also has thin light coloured lines painted onto her main deck here and there...never noticed those before. FW Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: update on Nottinham Saw on a news break last nite that they blew up all the missiles & gun shells in the Hunter Valley last nite.. there goes British Tax payers money. Also seems there is a Nuc sub (USS La Jolla ) in Brisbane...so any Brisbane people in this group better go have a gander..dont know the location ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: wreck from New England Maritime tragedy identified REUTERS; The wreck of a passenger ship that went down during a fierce gale in one of New England's worst maritime disasters has been identified off the coats of Massachuchusetts, where it has lain undisturbed for more than a century, US researches said The National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration confirmed it had found the 281ft paddle steamship Portland, which sank in a exceptionally violent gale after it left Boston on Nov 26 1898. As many as 192 people are thought to have perished when the ship went down on its way to Portland, Maine. No complete record of passengers is known cuz the passenger list went down with the ship. The disaster is known as "New England's Titanic" The gale, which destroyed over 400 other vessels & killed more than 450 people, bough wind gusts of up to 90mph (145kph), dropped 10in of snow in 6 hours & created 30-40ft waves. Wreckage &the bodies of 40 people washed up on the shores of Cape Cod in the following days. NOAA officials declined to give an exact location of the ship, saying it was only in the Stellwagen Bank National Marine Sanctuary. The remains of the Portland sit upright on the muddy ocean bottom, the steamship's hull still intact. The Portland was discovered in 1989 by a cape cod ocean exploration company,but oceanographers were unable to positively identify it ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Peter Subject: Friedman Amphib History Book US $60 at Amazon Victor Baca mentioned Norman Friedman's new book "U.S. Amphibious Ships and Craft: An Illustrated Design History" and noted it was being sold by the Naval Institute for about US$85. http://www.amazon.com is selling the same book as a "pre-order" for US$60 with free shipping for U.S. customers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "WEM" Subject: Just Arrived from WEM, 1/600 Upgrade Parts and ENTERPRISE PE Hi Guys, Just arrived, and shipping all pre-orders, as follows: 1/600 SCALE PRO 608 45' FAST MOTOR BOAT (x3) 2.51 PRO 609 45' MOTOR LAUNCH (x3) 2.51 PRO 611 32' CUTTER (x3) 2.51 PRO 612 30' CUTTER (x3) 2.51 PRO 613 27' WHALER (x5) 2.51 PRO 618 30' GIG (x5) 2.51 PRO 620 25' FAST MOTORBOAT (x5)2.51 PRO 623 1/600 ARADO 196, +ETCHED BRASS (x2) 2.95 PRO 624 1/600 EXOCET LAUNCHER (x4) HERE NOW 2.95 PRO 625 1/600 SEACAT LAUNCHERS (x4) HERE NOW 2.95 WEM PE 3522 1/350 USS ENTERPRISE "The Ship" at 27.66 Pounds (approx $38.00), LINK HERE for scan of the actual set http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/wembrass/wempe3522.jpg and WEM PE 4008 1/400 HMS HOOD at 27.66 Pounds (approx $38.00) LINK HERE for scan of the actual set http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/wembrass/wempe4004.jpg All items shipped POST FREE WORLDWIDE Cheers! 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