Subject: SMML VOL 1899 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:03:06 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Monitors 2: Re: British K class and M class W W 1 submarines 3: Re: The recently discovered W W 2 two-man submarine 4: Re: Surface bombardment 5: Iowa and M1 6: HMS HERMES - help 7: International scope 8: Re: 1/350 Essex 9: Re: HMS Maori 10: Trinity House Lightship color 11: Re: History Channel as a source -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: 1:700 IHP SIMS kits now shipping! 2: 1/700 Knox in Stock ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Monitors Well, I am not sure what to say about the M class and their fire and submerge procedure - ya have to wonder who came up with that idea and who approved it. Anyway thanks all for the enlightenment. And thanks Shane for the link to M 33. So we have a real live monitor that we can actually see and touch - awesome - to get of to G.B. one of these days. Michael Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist http://www.navydaze.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: British K class and M class W W 1 submarines I hope some of you SMML people who like to model unusual ships pick up on the great leads supplied by Norm Samich, Michael London, George Peat, et al, who have supplied us with some great leads on the British K class and M class submarines of the W W 1 era. Michael has a photo of a well-done model of a K class boat, and it is indeed an unusual looking submarine, especially in the forward section where a really odd sort of flared bow was added to improve its sea-keeping qualities. The two books refered to in the Google URL make for interesting reading. Your local Library Inter-library Loan (whatever local name applies) System can get them for you. I use it frequently, it is a book budget boon (mine, anyway), as it supplies books I am interested in but not enough so to warrant buying and at the same time allows me to examine in great depth a book I might seriously consider buying. I live in the Boston (Massachusetts) area , and recently my local library obtained a 1918 copy of The Bluejacket's Manual from a small library in land-locked Ohio for a two- weeks loan. As you can imagine, I was delighted. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: The recently discovered W W 2 two-man submarine To Roy C. Whilst discussing the Media's handling of the recent discovery of a sunken Japanese W W 2 two-man sub near Pearl Harbor you asked where the reporters learned their history. The answer is both short and obvious. They didn't !!!!!!!!! ( and that goes for the editors as well, for there is the real root of the problem). When asked how many students I would have in a class, my stock answer would be "One or two, if I am lucky", which was admittedly a sarcasm, as technically anyone who attends a school, college, university, etc. is a student. But it did put the point across, the point being that while I may have had 30 or so pupils in a class, there were wretchedly few students. I did not expect them to be scholars, as scholars are usually found amongst the graduates (sometimes). Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Nathan Pettigrew" Subject: Re: Surface bombardment Perhaps the future of surface bombardment will come from a little higher up. Jerry Pournelle, the sci-fi writer, describes the 'Thor' orbital weapon platform as throwing six foot semi-guided 'crowbars' at tanks. Once surface-to-orbit transport costs come down a lot, this could be a viable way to get stubborn dictators out of the way, eliminate pesky terrorists, destroy warships, etc... Just tossing some new electrons in the mix, Nathan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Doug Marrel" Subject: Iowa and M1 Ah, so much misinformation, so little time. As to the Roma without her turret, I suggest you look for pictures after the one you saw, because all it will show is water, as she sank, she did not survive the attack. I will be happy to provide the open source web site for 125mm APFSDS shells showing penetration of 60 cm of steel at 2000+ meters, and since the armor blet covers a fraction of the ship, it really isn't important anyway, it just refutes the idea that 12" of armor belt makes you impervious. I will leave it up the the reader the exercise to find cases where battleships were hit by 1000 kg bombs (note not shells) that were not disabled for 6+ months or sunk, because you will be able to count them on one finger. And yes note, US penetration LGB's can and will defeat far stronger targets than a 12" belt, and any other portion of the ship will be gutted. Ask the Iraqi military what happens when a bunker buster hits a hardened target. And last, it still does not address the case of modern torpedoes and mines. Those ships are not shock hardened to large underwater explosions, those "near misses" by aerial bombs caused as much mission kill in WWII as shell impact. And as a ps, you only have two possible, so if one has an engineering casualty., it's useless anyway, hardly something you want to make your battle plans around. They are just not economically feasible. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "rt.rogers" Subject: HMS HERMES - help Does anyone know of an available model of the last Hermes in its original configuration as a "fixed wing" carrier? By the way - Thanks to all of you who e-mailed me with advice about building the "Arizona", which is coming along very well!! Ransford "Taff" Rogers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Einar Kr Holtet" Subject: International scope Hi friends, I greatly enjoy your discussions, the scope of which is stunning. I would like to know if SMML keeps a systematic and updated membership register that divides us into respective home countries, ages, special interests and more? Would be great to know how many countries in different parts of the world are represented on the list. Best Einar Kr. Holtet NORWAY Hi Einar, No I don't keep a membership register apart from email addresses. Basically unless you post to SMML or tell someone that you are on SMML, membership is kept private. This is done for a variety of reasons with privacy being right at the top. Plus it would increase my workload ;-). I can tell you that the SMML membership covers the globe. However, if people would like to either introduce or re-introduce themselves - go for it ;-). I can also post that infomation to their Mainbrace page as well if people want me to. For the record, SMML is run by myself & my charming wife Mistress Lorna. We reside in the best country in the world which is of course Australia - not Texas as I'm sure some people will claim ;-). Regards, Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: 1/350 Essex >> SMML content: Anyone have a release date of the 1/350 Essex's from Trumpeter (?ICM?) << Nothing on these yet. The Hornet will be here in December. AAA Hobby will have them listed at $110 plus s&h. If the kit is the same size as their Nimitz kits, the S&H would be no more than $8 for PM. James Corley AAA Hobby Supply email: aaahobby@earthlink.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: MMclau1079@aol.com Subject: Re: HMS Maori Hi John, I had another look at Peter Hodges photo of Maori and I realized my memory had been faulty in the placement of the type 285 radar. I should have said that the 285 was on the tower structure or pedestal behind the Director for Maori, not on the Director itself. Removing foot from mouth, Miles F. McLaughlin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Phil Lord and Gayle Fink" Subject: Trinity House Lightship color Help--I have an Eastern Express re-issue of the old 1/110 scale Frog/Revell "Trinity House Lightship (South Goodwin)." Does anyone have the instruction sheet that provides a color scheme--the box art shows a hull that is either red or orange, but the instructions give NO reference for hull, deck or deckhouse colors. The Russian instructions are minimal at best, so any help, especially with a Humbrol color number is most appreciated. At http://www.trinityhouse.co.uk/ there are basic drawings of this vessel (with others) under "vessels" in the drop down menu, but no refs to colors. It might not be a warship--it's not even engined--but after all--they were "targetships" during the world wars! Phil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Re: History Channel as a source I look at the History Channel as a source, no better or worse than a single book on a given topic. If I want to know about The Battle of Midway, the assassination of JFK, or any other historical event, I always read several books - all of which are guaranteed to have varying stories and opinions - and then draw my conclusions from all of them. You wouldn't scratch build a model with a single sheet of plans and a single photo, would you? Multiple sources in everything, and then COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS WITH THE INFORMATION AS YOU DISSEMINATE IT. The History Channel is merely one source of that information. This theory applies to everything in life; news, money, religion, etc. Unfortunately, you get a lot of people who take single books, or a single person's "word" as the end all authority, (generally due to laziness and the unwillingness to read, more than anything) and it just all goes to hell from there. Devin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mike Bartel Subject: 1:700 IHP SIMS kits now shipping! IHP is now shipping the first of the 1:700 scale USS Sims (DD-409) and WALKE (DD-413)kits. These all-metal kits are available in the two versions specified, and each kit allows you to build minor variations of those. MSRP is $38.00 plus shipping. In the USA, IHP ship kits are carried by Trident Hobbies. Mike Bartel IHP http://ihphobby.tripod.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "shaya" Subject: 1/700 Knox in Stock We just received a shipment of 8 1/700 Knox Class Ships http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/700knox.htm Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies www.modelshipbuilding.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume