Subject: SMML VOL 1908
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:24:07 +1000

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MODELLERS INDEX

1: Re: The Best Place to Live..., and actual model stuff
2: S class submarines
3: Re: Best place to live
4: Helicopters aboard USS Chicago
5: Never underestimate the value of spit
6: Re: "Active Servive"
7: Help
8: British P Boats
9: France to start work on new aircraft carrier
10: best place to live

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Model club & SMMLcon Information

1: Shearwater Model Show

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TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX

1: Ebay auction
2: New 1:700 Scale Brass Gun Barrels

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MODELLERS

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From: "Poutre, Joseph A" <jpoutre@lehman.com>
Subject: Re: The Best Place to Live..., and actual model stuff

 From: "Jeff Herne, NJAHOF" <director@njahof.org>

>> Ok, you're gonna laugh...
 New Jersey
 (Many nice, true things about living in NJ deleted for brevity) <<

 Ah hell, JEFF!! We have enough people here as it is. You've just ruined years of effort on my part to keep them... Oops!

 Ahem. Hi there, non-New Jerseyans!

 Let me, as another New Jerseyan, tell you the truth. It's a terrible, rotten place to live. Just drive down the Turnpike and you'll see how yucky it is in this state. No, really, when you come to Jersey, get on the Turnpike and keep going until you go out the other end, because it's not any better in our Pinelands, or down the Shore, or in the Highlands. No, really, it's not beautiful, park-like land with lots of trees and water. Not at all, and you really don't want to move here. Nope, nosirreebob.

 In fact, just stay out. Completely. Go somewhere else, like Texas. Yeah, they have lots of room in Texas, and if we're... I mean, if you're lucky you might even split off from the United States. (Just so long as you take
those oilmen in D.C. with you.)

 Speaking of New Jersey (crossroads of the American Revolution) I just finished a special build of the Revell 1/1200 model, and I'll be sending photos to Shane and Lorna to put up on the SMML site.

 Joe Poutre
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From: Robert Lockie <plato.software@tesco.net>
Subject: S class submarines

 My nascent indices tell me that an article (with plans and photos) on these boats appeared in the June 1976 issue of Military Modelling, by fellow SMMLie John Lambert. I would therefore hazard a guess that even if you are unable to secure a copy of the offending magazine (the plans were quite small as I recollect), they may still be available from John's lists.

 Robert Lockie
 Swindon UK
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From: John_Sheridan@putnam.com
Subject: Re: Best place to live

>> I shall now put an end to the pitifully loyal but abysmally futile claims of the best place to live by declaring (with all truth and due modesty) that all roads lead to Holbrook (Massachusetts, USA). <<

 Franklyn,

 Holbrook Ma?

 Two words: Bard & Mc Guire <wink>.

 John Sheridan
 Putnam Norwood Operations
 x 12850
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From: "Bruno Gire" <bgire@club-internet.fr>
Subject: Helicopters aboard USS Chicago

 Hi all!

 Planning a diorama of USS Chicago: Could someone tell me what kind(s) of helicopter(s) could be seen landing aboard the USS Chicago (CG-11) when on duty with the 7th Fleet, around 1972-1974 in Vietnamese waters?

 Thanks for help

 Bruno Gire
 Bordeaux, France
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From: Keith Butterley <keith_butterley@telus.net>
Subject: Never underestimate the value of spit

 Hi group,

 I was sitting here fighting with a piece of PE trying to figure out how to hold it in place before I could permanently affix it. I am just to slow and shaky to put CA on a part and hammer it home first time. I usually take three or four goes, by which time there is enough glue build up to make the part worthless. I have found the same with white glue, it just dries to thick for my liking. Any how I was pondering what to do when I noticed Coko the Destructor (yes her of fleet stomping fame) doing what dogs do. Light bulb! Spit, works like a damn. Ok not exactly hygienic, but hey you aren't going to eat your models. The best part of all, this invaluable tool is absolutely FREE. So the next time you are drooling over your latest purchase you will know what to do <g>

 Happy modeling

 Keith Butterley
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From: Fkbrown90@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Active Servive"

 I agree, the question has become irrelevant, since "all" naval vessels are to carry the First Jack (Rattlesnake Jack), but let me share a few thoughts.

 It all seems to hang on the technically legal definition of the term "Active Service". At one extreme would be the U.S.S. ARIZONA" (and I am not trying to be funny here) which is still considered as being in commission. The other extreme is just about any other ship in the Navy. This leaves room for discussion about the U.S.S. CONSTITUTION's status. As Richard Sweeney pointed out, she has a real crew, and they were actively serving by conducting a gun drill when he observed them. They (including females) are officially designated as crew members and that is their ship, where they perform their assigned duties. True, they are billeted, and take chow, in an original Navy Yard brick building about 50 yards away. The ship is manned by an all Navy crew, not reservists, 24 hours a day, subject to all Navy Rules and Regulations, and is unquestionably subject to the Navy's jurisdiction. If the ship or crew should ever be (God forbid) attacked by terrorists, I'm sure they would vigorously defend themselves in true Navy fashion. All that sounds, to me, like "Active Service". But all that notwithstanding, we are a society of laws, and the legal definition would ultimately prevail.

 Noting a recent SMML posting quoting a 1957 Presidential proclamation by President Eisenhower which conditioned CONSTITUTION as being excepted from "Active Service", I called the ship's direct telephone and was told by a Duty chief that yes, she was considered as being in "Active Service".

 "Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya choice" Hopefully someone familiar with the strict legal definition and interpretation of "Active Service" can (and will) undertake to enlighten us all.

 And it makes me curious as to how many other Navy ships are in this legal grey area. I do know that some vessels struck from the Navy list are now museums and are either privately owned or are owned by the National Park Service (such as the U.S.S CASSIN YOUNG, a pier mate to CONSTITUTION). But are there any others which remain commissioned but are considered as not "Active Service" (whatever that means)?

 Franklyn
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From: Fkbrown90@aol.com
Subject: Help

 I have recently been in communication with a modeler (and hopefully a SMML suscriber) from the New York City area concerning pre-1812 rigging configuration of U.S.S CONSTITUTION.

 I have some information for him, but unfortunately, "The dog ate my homework" and I lost his e-mail address.

 I am sure he will appreciate it if someone can please supply me with his e-mail address, enabling me to send the material.

 Franklyn
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From: Fkbrown90@aol.com
Subject: British P Boats

 For Michael London (and anyone else interested in W W  1 British P Boats)

 I have just run across another bit of information, on a W W 1 snapshot of a British P Boat. The caption states that these vessels were capable of being intentionally lowered, in the water, (presumably by flooding tanks, similar to submarines) such that the main deck was awash. Hence the destroyer looked deceptively like a surfaced submarine. Its stealth attributes thus enhanced, it could theoretically "sneak" into a port or harbor, attack, blow tanks, and speed away in the confusion.

 I guess this helps to explain the terms "destroyer submarine" or "submersible destroyer". Perhaps "destroyer--submarine" would have been a better choice of identification. In any case, the use of the words "submersible" or "submarine" are a stretch.

 Franklyn
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From: "Andrew Jones" <andrewj@syd.tomen.com.sg>
Subject: France to start work on new aircraft carrier

 Reuters:" France is to begin work on a 2nd aircraft carrier to compliment its trouble-plagued Charles De Gaulle, govt sources said on Thursday

 The source said it was not clear whether the new carrier would be nuclear powered like the Charles De Gaulle, ad whether it would be built exclusively by French firms or in cooperation with British manufacturers"
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From: Jim Mc <jmac2@core.com>
Subject: best place to live

 As an aside, both Sherman, and Sheridan were from Ohio....
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Model club & SMMLcon Information

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From: Dave Shirlaw <dshirlaw@telus.net>
Subject: Shearwater Model Show

>> SHEARWATER AVIATION MUSEUM
 FIFTH ANNUAL MODEL SHOWCASE & CONTEST
 Saturday, November 23th 2002 - 10:00AM to 5:00PM
 GENERAL EVENT INFORMATION

 WHERE ARE WE?

 We are located just before the entrance to the Shearwater Airport – directly off of Pleasant Street (Route 322 a.k.a. Marine Drive) past the Imperial Oil Refinery.

 The Showcase & Trade Fair will be held in the new building of the Museum; and the Model Contest will be held in the new section as well.

 ADMINISTRATIVE INFORMATION

 Contacts:
 All calls, inquiries, concerns, etc can be directed to either of the following people and can be reached at 460-1083. Any people who wish to assist with the event can call during regular Museum hours.
 · Showcase & Contest Director: Robert S. LePine Entry Fees:

 The contest is open to all modelers – membership in I.P.M.S. or any affiliated chapter not required. <<

 Dave Shirlaw
 Editor, Seawaves Magazine
 www.seawaves.com
 2001 Year in Pictures now available on CD-ROM
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TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD

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From: jbgroby@cs.com
Subject: Ebay auction

 HI to the group,

 I have something on Ebay now, some of you may be interested in. Here is the link:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=904149242

 It is two rare and out of production posters that I want to get rid of no longer have room for them in my collection.

 Enjoy,

 Jake Groby
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From: Mike Bartel <promodelmaker@yahoo.com>
Subject: New 1:700 Scale Brass Gun Barrels

 New in stock from Imperial Hobby Productions is a set of 16" 50calibre gun barrels for 1:700 scale models of the Iowa and Montana classes (BBs 61-71). These barrels are turned brass and can be made to fit any 1:700 scale model of these ships.

 They are sold in packs of 12. Pricing and ordering information and a photo are all on the IHP website.

 Mike Bartel
 IHP
 http://ihphobby.tripod.com
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