Subject: SMML VOL 1909 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 00:49:14 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Modeling USS Ingersoll DD-990 2: British Carriers Too 3: Re: Helos on ALBANY class 4: Best place to live 5: A sea story... 6: Re: Texas ceceding 7: Re: STILL the best place to live 8: Re: Helicopters aboard USS Chicago 9: Re: Active Duty 10: Ramming of U-103 by OLYMPIC 11: Dynamic Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mike Potter Subject: Re: Modeling USS Ingersoll DD-990 >> 1)When were the ABLs installed? << ABLs were installed in the early 1980s. Starting in 1986, conversions of DD 963s added VLS instead of ABLs. >> 2)When did she get the SH-60B upgrade (and consequently the larger hangar) (and did the RAST system/landing tracks become installed at this time)? << Late 1980s or early 1990s, and yes, the RAST tracks were installed as part of the same package. >> 3)Were the above mentioned shipalts performed at the same time? << No, because the ABL program ended before the 2-helo conversions of DD 963s began. At least one late conversion, of Hayler, added VLS and a 2-helo hangar at the same time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: royrichey@att.net Subject: British Carriers Too The latest issue of U.S.Naval Institute Proceeding (SEP02) has a brief article of the developement of the new British CVF's. The artist's conception is rather interesting. Angled deck with a split island, deck edge elevator between the islands. Also had a nice color photo of Sea Slice, with the Joint Venture in the background. Roy Mustn't forget, nice picture of J.Lo too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Helos on ALBANY class I have piles of photos of the CLGs and early CGs in the Med in that time frame. SH 3 Sea Kings in Gull Grey and white paint schemes were prevalent. Also you can do no harm in having visiting choppers like Hueys, LAMPS Seasprites also on the aft decks. Even a CH 46, but never all at once. It was not uncommon for a helo to be stowed, rotors and tails folded tight up forward near the missile launchers while another was parked further aft. All the safety nets would be down, and any whip aerials would be swung down in the area. The COM6thFLEET helo would be pristinely painted with all high viz markings while the others could be slightly weathered, in 700 scale a little tough to do. RD Bean ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Hubert Letterly Subject: Best place to live Hello all, While watching the evening news they listed New York City as the best place to live with Chicago and Denver tied at sixth place. All of this is supplied by a Harris Poll. I believe that if you include the environment in a 60 mile radius, Denver surely would rise to the top of the list. There is a question on the state wide education assessment test here that reads as follows; If Colorado were as flat as Texas, how much more area would it cover? a. four times as large. b. five times as large. c. six times as large. as ever Hugh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: tkremer Subject: A sea story... Donald writes: >> With all the recent conversation regarding battleships, and their value, or lack thereof, I thought the following story might be of interest. It was told to me by a gent whose first name is Zane, and whose last name, I don't know how to spell. << That must be an Army story, cuz if it was a Navy story it would begin "Now this is no bull...." ;-) No, but seriously it's a fun story only extremely improbable. There is nothing on God's green earth more overrated than the precision and accuracy of battleship guns. At a distance of 20 miles a shell has not much better than a 50% chance of landing within a quarter mile of where it is aimed and a full salvo will spread something like half a mile. Not what you want to use for close fire support! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Texas ceceding To Joe Poutre Don't encorage Texas to cecede! They have a considerable amount of oil, and some compassion for the rest of us. Just look what the Middle East is doing to us, just because they discovered our Achilles' Heel of super-dependency on petroleum. At least Texas pays taxes. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: STILL the best place to live To John Sheridan The Baird & McGuire hazardous waste sight (once declared the 14th worst in the nation by the EPA) is now all cleaned up, thanks to the compassion and generosity of the U. S. taxpayers, including yourself. We collectively thank all of you. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: DortaB@aol.com Subject: Re: Helicopters aboard USS Chicago For Bruno Gire, I put an H-3, rotor and tail folded, on mine. A Huey would have been appropriate, but I don't believe Chicago's helo spot would have been rated for anything much bigger. George Cost Tampa, Fl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Re: Active Duty Hello All. In a continuation of Franklyn Browns comments, While the Constitution was in Drydock during her last major restoration, I was part of a group from the Salem Maritime National Park, The Volunteer Shipwright Group, Part of the "Volunteers In Parks" program. The Navy was very generous to us and gave us an extensive tour of both the USS Constitution and her Maintnance and repair workshops, because we were doing a lot of the prep and publicity work for the Tall Ship "Friendship" which has been built for Salem MA, and is 1/2 owned by the National Park Service. While we were on the berthing Deck there was a small Section walled off with AC being ducted in, They explained that we wouldn't be going in there as that was the billet for the "On Duty" crew, that was where the crew lived while they are on duty, because it is a Naval ship, there must be crew living on board at all times, even in Drydock. On an aside, the Volunteer Shipwright Group has built the "Ship's Boats for the "Friendship", based on plans supplied by the Boston Detachment of the Naval Historical Division. The "Shipwrights" were a wonderful group to work with before a need, on my part, to work too much got in the way of my continued association with them. They were very knowledgeable and more than willing to help you learn the trades, as a resource, they are Priceless. My Thanks to them for their kindess. Richard Sweeney As for President Eisenhower, he was a great man, but he was a General, what would he know of "Active duty Navy"? (just kidding, Honest!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Ramming of U-103 by OLYMPIC I have seen a reference to the fact that the British liner "Olympic" (sister ship to the "Titanic") rammed and sank the German submarine U-103 on 12MAY1918, presumably while the submarine was on patrol. Can anyone please tell me more about this incident? I would hope that some of the British SMML subscribers would have access to this information, perhaps from the original Log of "Olympic" which must repose in some British archive. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Dynamic Models Hi Does anybody know what ever happened to a model company called Dynamic Models - i last heard from them in 1995 - I have their catalog from that year. good stuff Ken Auslander ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume