Subject: SMML VOL 1910 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:48:11 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Speaking of Posters 2: Best place to live 3: Best Place to live 4: Jargon 5: Ramming of U-103 by OLYMPIC 6: Re: Baird & McGuire 7: Re: CONSTITUTION's crew billets 8: Re: Iowa CEP 9: Re: Dynamic Models 10: Re: Olympic and P Boats 11: Re: Best place to live 12: large midget (?) models 13: USS Olympia Kit 14: Re: S Class submarines -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Ingersoll Pics ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "shaya" Subject: Speaking of Posters Here is a nifty website for WWI & WWII War posters http://www.snapshotsofthepast.com/ If you want to see real "rt"in rigging you should see Jake Groby's Sailing ships. That's something. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies www.modelshipbuilding.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Subject: Best place to live outhern Rhode Island isn't a bad place to live. First of all it's very rural with thick woods everywhere. The Atlantic Ocean and it's beaches is not far from any point in Rhode Island. Rhode Island it small and thus easy to escape from. Rhode Island close to Boston - Cradle of the American Revolution - although it should be noted that Rhode Island declared it's independence from the British Crown on May 4, 1776, two months before the rest of the colonies. It's close to Cape Cod - you have to visit the Cape to appreciate it. Stuff to visit: Rhode Island: Newport (Naval War College Museum, USS Forrestal, USS Saratoga); Providence, (Julliet SSG "K-19"); North Kingstown (Quonset Air Museum, future home of USS Saratoga). Massachusetts: Boston (USS Constitution, USS Cassin Young); Qunicy (USS Salem); Fall River (USS Massachusetts, USS Lionfish, USS Joseph P. Kennedy); Worcester (Higgins Museum of Arms and Armor); Springfield (Springfield Armory Museum). Connecticut: New London (Coast Guard Academy & Museum, Submarine Force Museum, USS Nautilus); Winsor Locks (New England Air Museum). New York City (USS Intrepid); Bayonne (USS New Jersey). Of these only the Forrestal and Saratoga are not open to the public, although the USS Saratoga Foundation is working hard to have the Sara towed across Narragansett Bay to Quonset Point and opened as a museum. Let us not forget the Rhode Island is an easy drive to Foxboro Massachusetts, home of the World Champion New England Patriots. We can forget the Red Sox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "George Peat" Subject: Best Place to live My Ideal place to live is any where as far away from the mother-in-law as possible. Big problem the old bat is dead and so will haunt me no matter where I go so I suppose Scotland is the best place to be. George Peat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Norman Samish" Subject: Jargon SMML Vol. 1909 snowed me. I need help: 1. What are ABLs? 2. What are VLS? 3. What is a "SH-60B" upgrade 4. What are "RAST tracks"? 5. What are "new British CVFs"? 6. What "LAMPS Seasprites"? "He who knows not and knows he knows not is learning - help him." Thanks, Norm Samish ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "David T. Okamura" Subject: Ramming of U-103 by OLYMPIC Franklyn wrote: >> I have seen a reference to the fact that the British liner "Olympic" (sister ship to the "Titanic") rammed and sank the German submarine U-103 on 12MAY1918, presumably while the submarine was on patrol. Can anyone please tell me more about this incident? I would hope that some of the British SMML subscribers would have access to this information, perhaps from the original Log of "Olympic" which must repose in some British archive. << Like her sisters Titanic and Britannic, Olympic had a habit of running into things. It must have been a family trait. ;-) During her career, Olympic not only ran down U-103, but she collided with the HMS Hawke (the cause is still disputed, but it appears that the Olympic's propellers literally sucked the cruiser into her side), dropped a propeller after striking an uncharted underwater obstruction, backed into the S.S. Fort St. George and finally rammed and sank the Nantucket lightship. (And they called her, "Old Reliable"?) At least the U-103 incident was deliberate. Facts surrounding the U-103 sinking is a bit thin on the Web, but here's some information: http://www.titanic-titanic.com/titanic_titanic_-_rms_olympic.shtml http://uboat.net/wwi/boats/?boat=103 http://www.990mag.com/htships.htm More general information on the Olympic: http://wwww.schuminweb.com/ocean-liners/ships/olympic.htm http://members.aol.com/WakkoW5/olympic.html http://www.lostliners.com/Olympic/ http://www.greatships.net/olympic.html You might also inquire on the message boards at http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/ David T. Okamura ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Baird & McGuire Before anyone lowers the boom on me for using the word "sight" when I meant to say "site", let me say that if you ever saw the place before the EPA cleaned it up you would agree that either word would have been appropriate. I'n lucky in the fact that I live at the other end of town, therefore it was not a hazard to me. But all is kopacetic now, and has been for years. The Baird & McGuire incident is the sort of thing we hear about all the time from jealous out-of-timers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: CONSTITUTION's crew billets To Richard Sweeney I didn't say the entire crew was billeted in the brick building, fortunately. Apparently, from what you observed, only the "off-duty" crew are housed there. I can imagine that in the summer it can get pretty hot for the tour guides, who are regular Navy, and an A/C onboard billet is not unreasonable. I am not sure, having never visited The Ship in winter, but there must be heat in the tour area, and presumably for the onboard billet area as well. They all do take chow in the brick building, however. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Subject: Re: Iowa CEP >> No, but seriously it's a fun story only extremely improbable. There is nothing on God's green earth more overrated than the precision and accuracy of battleship guns. At a distance of 20 miles a shell has not much better than a 50% chance of landing within a quarter mile of where it is aimed and a full salvo will spread something like half a mile. Not what you want to use for close fire support! << US Navy figures for the CEP on the 16"/50 cal rifle are MUCH less than 1/4 mile. Please check out the following graph of actual patterns: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/bb-61-dnsn8709176_jpg-s.gif ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: LHDockyard@aol.com Subject: Re: Dynamic Models >> Does anybody know what ever happened to a model company called Dynamic Models - i last heard from them in 1995 - I have their catalog from that year. good stuff << Dynamic Models went out of business in 1996. Many attempts have been made to purchase the remaining stock and molds but all have been unsuccessfull so far. Don www.loyalhannadockyard.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Olympic and P Boats Two very interesting postings by Franklyn Brown! The Olympic was engaged in trooping duties carrying US troops to France. On May 12th, 1918, in the English Channel, she was attacked by the U-103 but the torpedoes missed. In the avoiding action by Olympic she rammed and sank the U Boat. It is not clear whether Olympic was eastbound or westbound, whether she had US troops on board at the time, or if the ramming was deliberate or fortuitous. The site is at 49°09n/04°57w. Nine of the U Boat's crew were lost. >> I have just run across another bit of information, on a W W 1 snapshot of a British P Boat. The caption states that these vessels were capable of being intentionally lowered, in the water, (presumably by flooding tanks, similar to submarines) such that the main deck was awash. Hence the destroyer looked deceptively like a surfaced submarine. Its stealth attributes thus enhanced, it could theoretically "sneak" into a port or harbor, attack, blow tanks, and speed away in the confusion. << IMHO highly unlikely. The P Boats' weapons were already close enough to the water to make working them in any sort of sea well nigh impossible. It is doubtful if they would make the situation any worse by partially submerging them. It would also have a very bad effect on speed for getting away afterwards. The idea of sneaking into enemy-held ports in wartime was rarely realized apart from the raids on Zeebrugge and Ostend. It would be interesting to hear other views on this. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Michael Connelley Subject: Re: Best place to live Hawaii! Let me explain. My day job is astronomy (ironic, isn't it). But, I'm also a ship/plane modeler. Here in Hawaii we have the Mauna Kea observatories (best in the world) and Pearl Harbor (home of the Arizona and Missouri, not to mention a nice hunk of the Pacific fleet). Oh yeah, there's also the yearlong sunshine, long white beaches, endless surf, and active volcanoes. Cheers Mike Connelley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Burl Burlingame Subject: large midget (?) models Didn't someone make a Type #A midget submarine model in 1/35 or 1/32? I saw a drawing for one a while ago. If not, I'm going to have to scratch my own. BB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "pnwa1@excite.com" Subject: USS Olympia Kit Hello all, I am looking to obtain a copy of the re-released Revell USS Olympia. Does anyone know where one might be found and at a reasonable cost? Thanks, Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "George Peat" Subject: Re: S Class submarines Hi Guys, I have a copy of the article from Military Modelling June 1976 which has John Lamberts drawings of the 'S' class. If you would like a copy get back to me and I can scan it for you. Regards George Peat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "shaya" Subject: Ingersoll Pics I'm not sure who's building the Ingersoll but I would be happy to put those pics up on my site. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies www.modelshipbuilding.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume