Subject: SMML VOL 1913 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:29:01 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Tug boat plans 2: Re: Dry Dock Door??? 3: Re: Battleship gunfire 4: Prinz Eugen 5: June 1961 issue of the U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings 6: Re: Never underestimate the value of spit 7: Re: Jargon 8: Re: large midget (?) models 9: Re: jargon 10: Re: Best Places to Live 11: Interesting items on ebay 12: USS Cole 13: Re: Voyager model ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: AMDM@aol.com Subject: Tug boat plans ANYONE HAVE THE DECK PLAN FOR THE TUG BOAT JAN? JUST THE DECK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Wayne E. Weatherwax" Subject: Re: Dry Dock Door??? I have always heard them referred to as Dock Cassions. in effect they areflooded with water to hold them in place I presume the sidewalls expand into slots in the drydock door sill. Once flooded in place the drydock is then pumped out. To open the drydock the dock is flooded and the cassion is pumped out, it then floats free and is usually moved by tugs. It in effect is a very deepdraft barge. I cant remember ever seeing an actual door per say such as you find in a Canal Lock, but almost all of my Shipyard time was on Carriers. Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Battleship gunfire I would be interested to know just how fast a 16 in shell from a battleship would be travelling just before it hits the target. I recall in England during WW 2 being in a theater when a V2 rocket landed outside. Amongst other expensive damage it blew the doors off the theater. What was interesting is that there was no sound before it hit. There was this huge explosion FOLLOWED by the whoosh of the rocket coming down. The missile was obviously falling at a speed in excess of the speed of sound. Would someone at the receiving end of a 16 in shell, if they survived, experience the same phenomenon? Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Frank Allen Subject: Prinz Eugen Thanks Steve...I was merely curious about the yellow turrets. I understand what you meant now. In this case, there is not much to suggest there was a change though. Brinkmann would have documented it and I am betting Lagemann would have filmed it (interestingly he did film men working on/near the bow and stern swastikas, although VERY briefly). You can find a decent B&W photo of PG's turret tops in the book "Prinz Eugen Im Ersten Gefecht." There's one up for auction on Ebay right now...some turkey named 'Donhoho' keeps bidding on it, but I am sure you could take him out with a 16" salvo or two, LOL. It's worthwhile for the photos (and I doubt it is copyrighted anymore!). The film of Rheinubung (which is on the Hood site now) will be of defininite help...the turret tops are clearly visible in a few scenes (along with the bridge area). You should be able to obtain prints taken from this section of the film while at the Bundesarchiv. Colour photos of Bismarck- Yes, there is a great buzz about those. Frank ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: June 1961 issue of the U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings If anyone has a copy of the above, please contact me. I would like to buy one, or if not perhaps arrange to copy it. Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: Never underestimate the value of spit Keith, you mean you use your dog's drool? How do you apply it? just take the dog in your hand and squeeze it directly on the part? or do you use a toothpick or something? :-) Wienne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Re: Jargon Hi Norm I can tell what some the terms your asking about means. ABL-Armored Box Launcher- This a armored box for holding tomahawk cruise missiles about 4 of 'em and they are shot of them. These are now out of use in the USN. They were first introduced in the early 80's and many of them were put on the Iowa Class Battleships many cruiser classes and the Spruance class Destroyers. By the mid 90's they were gone. VLS- Vertical Launch System -The replacement for the ABL. This is a box that has many cells for storing all sorts of missiles on Navy ships and they very in number as to per class of ship. This launch system is about 1 deck high and sits in the deck with only the top showing the launch hatchs. Compared to the ABL which sits completely on the main deck. I have no idea what RAST TRACKS or British CVF's are. But the terms SH-60B upgrades are improvements to the Navy's Seahawk Helicopter which has become a standard ship helicopter for anti sub warfare and rescue work at sea. Lastly the Lamps Seaspite is a ship helicopter called the Sh-2 Seasprite orginally it was used cargo work and was introduced in the 1960's. In the 1970's these were converted to antisub warfare and used up till 2000. The USN sold all it's seasprite copters to Austrailia. I hope this helps. Craig Bennett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Chisum" Subject: Re: large midget (?) models I believe the large ones I've seen are from Verlinden Productions. I believe it was the German and maybe the British X-boat. High Mold out of Japan makes a Japanese mini (at Pearl Harbor) and the suicide version both in 1/72nd scale... Randy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Re: jargon ok here goes 1) ABL would probably Armoured Box Launchers.. big bath tube style launchers for the Tomohawks 2) VLS is Vertical Launch System..generally replacing any old box launchers & arm (found on Oliver Hazzard Class FFG's etc) ..basically the missiles are in tubes mounted inside the ship 3) SH-60b upgrabe well the Sh-60b is a helo & like any pice of equipment they go thru regular upgrades..probably the navigation/targeting pod that they are now starting to put on the Sh-60 Seahawk helo's 4) Rast Tracks ..no idea..maybe something to do with helo landings or dragging them into the hangers 5) CVF well the british are look at doing away with the harriers & the ski jump "carriers" so the plan is to replace them with them with "flet carriers" to host the new Joint Strike Fighter 6) LAMPS SEASRIPTE: LAMPS is the acronym for Light Airborne Multipurpose System & a seasprite is a helo now being replaced by the superseaprite in many navies especially the Aussie navy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Doug Wilde Subject: Re: Best Places to Live Mike had it right: Kona on the Big Island. Any other place is just a pile of dirt. And having said that, I've just moved to Bowie, MD because I took a job in DC. Aside from all the cultural event and venue, Archives II is just up the road and that contains a life time of (historical) exploration. Doug Wilde ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting items on ebay I saw these items for sale at eBay: The Ile De France Life Story -- 1960 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1561965157 Bassett Lowke Waterline Ship Models RARE NEW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1764396704 TAMIYA Japanese Military Transport Set 1/700 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1764582170 Drawings of All BattleShip & Carrier Classes http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=904149242 BRITISH NAVY BOOK ROYAL NAVY MONITORS BUXTON http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1560230261 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: KHS1392@webtv.net (KARL H. SCHULZ) Subject: USS Cole In the WEBTV section Pics and Pictures there is a great collection on the transportation of the USS Cole. For PC users the URL is: http://community-2.webtv.net/pdenman/COLE/ Karl H. Schulz Roseville, Calif ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: M Brown Subject: Re: Voyager model I've seen it. It isn't even painted in the correct colour scheme!!!! Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume