Subject: SMML VOL 1926 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:58:11 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Prinz Eugen 2: black ships cammo in WW2 3: Re: I need help again 4: A aircraft carrier question? 5: ILE de France 6: Trumpeter/ Skywave Iowa 7: Re: Strips of brass 8: Cruisers 9: Re: archive cost 10: Re: Pieter Cornelissen/Armoured cruisers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: HMS Buttercup ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Sab1156@aol.com Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen Earlier this month,someone asked about yellow colour on Prinz Eugen! I found the info: The order was given on 06.16.1941 (begin of operation Barbarossa), that all involved ships (inclduded Pr.E.) have bright yellow colour painted on the forcastle and the top of the gun-turrets and shields.Submarines got a yellow stripe around the tower. Best Regards Detlef ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: black ships cammo in WW2 Next year the club I belong to is doing a display day called something like "black is beautiful" so I thought I would do an magazine story/drawings on machines done in black cammo..now I have a fair amount of aircraft in black...doubt if any tanks were black & the only ships in WW2 I know of without as yet checked any of my books at home was US navy subs early in the war, didn't they try a destoyer or 2 in black?????? well anyhow thought I would see what the experts & techno people out in email world would say.. that way if I do go ahead with the article it wont be full of planes to make the ship fansa little happy. regards Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Fred Liedel" Subject: Re: I need help again If you go to a motor spare parts shop they sell brass sheets about 8 by 10 inches in various thickness from 2 thou and up. Just ask for brass shimming sheets any big place will either have it or should be able to get it for you. If you live in Australia [like i do] Repco carry it Regards Fred Liedel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Pwesty" Subject: A aircraft carrier question? Hi list I was wondering if anyone can answer this question? Out of all the major aircraft carriers that have been decommission in the last ten years or so which ones have been stricken from the naval list and which ones have been placed into reserves. Another question is out of all these carriers how many of them are being sought by private organization to save as museum ships? Thanks “Light off the boilers. Make preparation for getting under way” ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: ILE de France Hello, I've been asked to build a model of the Ile de France for someone. It will be scratch built in 1/600 th scale. I have not yet found any clear pictures of her life boats, does anyone know if they were planked or smooth hulled. Thanks. Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Trumpeter/ Skywave Iowa Hello, I picked up one today at my local Hobby shop, They are the best Iowa class I've yet seen in 1/700 scale. It is detailed down to the Tomohawk missle launchers, which can be displayed open with the Tomahawks inside. Just my 1 cent worth. Richard Sweeney ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Art Herrick" Subject: Re: Strips of brass >> I was just wondering if there was anywhere you could buy strips of brass of different widths so I would be able to cut it and make my own parts to detail my ship. I have been unable to find any so far and would be grateful for some help. Thanks. << Try this URL: http://www.specialshapes.com/default.asp The URL is the home page for Special Shapes Co. Not to be confused with K&S Engineering which is the line of brass shapes that you see displayed in hobby shops. S.S. Co. goes back at least 50 years or more and has served the needs of the model railroader, and professional model shops. At least ten years ago the question came up in our ship model group about people having trouble soldering K&S E. brass stock. Knowing there was a business connection between S.S. Co. and K&S E., I called and talked with an engineer at S.S. Co.. He told me that K&S E.'s brass, sold in hobby shops, had a higher content of zinc than that of S.S. Co.'s brass, and that maybe the cause of some soldering problems. S.S. Co.'s Web Site has a complete catalog. Note that they also do custom orders. This will be of interest to those of you who like to trim their ship model display cases with brass angle, and have trouble finding a source of long pieces of angle, e.g. over 36". Art Herrick Westmoreland, New Hampshire USA -- The "Live Free Or Die" state ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Hubert Letterly Subject: Cruisers Loose Cannon has the USS Birmingham of E. Ely fame. The kit comes with the Curtiss pusher in brass. Jim Shirley Productions produced the Chester, Birmingham's sister, but it is long out of production. It is a very attractive class of cruiser. Hugh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: archive cost >> This is probably due to the fact that getting any information such as tech. drawings and photos out of the UK these days is cost prohibitive. Most of these items are in museum collections and they charge a hefty price for access and royalties. I have looked into this and came to the conclusion that there are other subjects that are easier to access and at far less cost. The path of least resistance! This is also one of the reasons that I have yet to do one of my books on a British subject. The royalty on a photo from the Imperial War Museum is in the area of £60 per photo, that's about $100 to us Yanks, per title. My books average 70 or so photos per book. My start up cost are just too high to justify that subject, so I look for others, like USN, Kriegsmarine and IJN. Also I have found some new sources for Italian Navy, but they are only about as good as the IJN, so not much photography, but enough. << This may be true for most British subjects, but not all of them. A number of technical drawings and photgraphs have been published already in a number of books (drawings of HMS Drake in Warrior to Dreadnought for example). The Imperial War Museum and National Maritime Museum will charge hefty prices if you use them for one of your publications off course. They will not be able to prevent you, however, from using this information to help make a master for a 1/700 resin model (just as it does not prevent metal casters from making 1/1200 versions). In sources like this there should be enough info for 1/700 models of Royal Souvereign and Drake, and that is only in my small library. I suspect, though, that this is not the main reason for the non-appearing of kits of these subjects. The 1/700 resin market is simply hopelessly small and fragemented. A sales run for Drake would not be more than about 20-30 worldwide I think and that would be very small even for resin ..... Pieter Cornelissen Delft The Netherlands ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Pieter Cornelissen/Armoured cruisers Pieter, just a few comments on your post: 1- Brooklyn "by some polish manufacturer" :-) (NCR to be precise) is a dog of a kit and is fit only for a bin!!! There is better 1/700 "Brooklyn" from ISW but the best news is that Yiannis Sagiadinos from YS Master Pieces is preparing to release 1/350 resin kit of this ship. Judging by his previous efforts it will be something well worth waiting for. Japanese armured cruisers Kasuga and Nisshin (not Azuma) were members of Garibaldi class, so the conversion is only need when you want a model of another ship from this class (Christobal Colon for example). Zenta was not a protected cruiser but a scout cruiser. And, in closing, like you, I would like to see the kits of early British and French armoured cruisers to make it finally to the market. best wishes D.P ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Subject: HMS Buttercup Hi All I have just completed a five sheet subject of the Flower Class thing'y whatsit - HMS BUTTERCUP, as modified whilst under construction for minesweeping with an "LL" magnetic sweep aft and an acoustic "A" frame over the bow. Built by Harland and Wolff in Belfast she completed on 24/4/1942, being renamed RNN Nordkyn and Norwegian manned in May 1942. She survived the war to join the Norwegian merchant service in 1946. The five sheets include G/A, side profile, plan views of superstructure and fox'l deck, plan views of upper, lower and hold deck, a couple of machinery space sections, rigging plan (Including "A" frame rig) and hull lines and sections. A complete redraw and update of my very early drawing of her but now on five sheets. As an introductory offer I am selling all five sheets for the cost of four at £34.00. My plans lists will be updated at www.john-lambert-plans.com ASAP. Yours "Aye" John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume