Subject: SMML VOL 1927 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:59:12 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: A aircraft carrier question? 2: strips of brass 3: Re: Any colour you want as long as it's black... 4: Re. Prinz Eugen 5: carrier museum ships 6: International Festival of the Sea 7: Re: Prinz Eugen 8: Re: archive cost -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New see-through elevators for 1/350 Tamiya Enterprise ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: Re: A aircraft carrier question? See www.nvr.navy.mil for information on which carriers have been stricken. Dave Shirlaw Editor, Seawaves Magazine www.seawaves.com 2001 Year in Pictures now available on CD-ROM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "stuart page" Subject: strips of brass WOW! i just wanted to say thanks for the 5,000,000 replies to my enquiries about strips of brass. I will now be able to make progress on my model which will probably be finished in december............2015. I really want to give up work and take up my hobby full time. Anyone want to sponsor me? Well......it was worth a try! Thanks again. Yours faithfully, Stuart Page GREAT Britain ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Chris Hughes" Subject: Re: Any colour you want as long as it's black... We did this theme for our second Club display at the IPMS(UK) Nationals in 1994. Apart from the plethora of aircraft in black - and we were spoilt for choice - we had a Trident Class sub, a few cars and a truck. Someone scratch-built a hang glider "Pilot Escape System", which had been demo'd as a concept for self-recovery for downed airmen, carried in a pod and dropped by a passing friendly aircraft... That was black. As for all-black armour, I can't recall anything, but there are quite a few figures you could look at, such as Delta Force, SAS and even some Napoleonics (Prussians...) Good luck and let's see the photos! Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Re. Prinz Eugen >> Earlier this month,someone asked about yellow colour on Prinz Eugen! I found the info: The order was given on 06.16.1941 (begin of operation Barbarossa), that all involved ships (inclduded Pr.E.) have bright yellow colour painted on the forcastle and the top of the gun-turrets and shields. Submarines got a yellow stripe around the tower. << Detlef, are you sure? In my understanding, Prinz Eugen was in a French port at the beginning of Operation "Barbarossa". Where did you get this info from? Falk Pletscher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: carrier museum ships >> I was wondering if anyone can answer this question? Out of all the major aircraft carriers that have been decommission in the last ten years or so which ones have been stricken from the naval list and which ones have been placed into reserves. Another question is out of all these carriers how many of them are being sought by private organization to save as museum ships? << the Midway and the Forrestal are on donation hold. (per NavSea ship donation program webpage http://www.navsea.navy.mil/ndp/shiphold.asp?txtTypeID=44 ). Midway has been 'awarded' to a group in San Diego pending their proof of financial health (read: they need to do a lot of fundraising to the tune of $5mil in the bank--which after experience with Hornet is not enough by half). there have been up to 3 groups at one time interested in the Forrestal--web searches will reveal them. IIRC, one of them has recently given up. the Saratoga is also on donation hold per the Naval Register site: http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/details/CV60.htm there was a group in Florida showing some interest at one time. don't know if they still exist. the America is going to be scrapped http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/details/CV66.htm there had been a group trying for it, but it faded rather quickly. America is currently being used as a 'parts car' for other museum ships. carriers as museums are Yorktown, Intrepid, Hornet, and Lexington--all Essex class. I won't go into my thoughts on the subject of ship preservation--especially a LARGE ship preservation--except to say, it might look good on paper and fill one's head with happy fantasy, but it can be a nightmare if you don't go into it with feet firmly planted on the ground with a solid business plan and a group of professionals who have a clear idea on how to run a business. just because there are currently 4 carriers 'operating' as museums doesn't mean they're having an easy go of it. s. sachsen formerly with USS Hornet Museum ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: International Festival of the Sea Hello lads, I just noticed that the next International Festival of the Sea will be held in Edinburgh, 23-26 of May, 2003. I was just wondering if there were any SMMLies planning on attending? (Mr. Rule?!?) I'm planning on being there if I can get the flights scheduled. Best regards, Duane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen >> Earlier this month,someone asked about yellow colour on Prinz Eugen! I found the info: The order was given on 06.16.1941 (begin of operation Barbarossa), that all involved ships (inclduded Pr.E.) have bright yellow colour painted on the forcastle and the top of the gun-turrets and shields. Submarines got a yellow stripe around the tower. << I think that this information must be wrong because, 1. The yellow recognition color was for the Atlantic theater of operations. 2. Operation Barbarossa was the invasion of Russia, which is accessible thru the Baltic and the official recognition color for that theater was red. 3. On the date you have stated, June 16, 1941, the Prinz Eugen was in Brest, France and did not leave there until the "Channel Dash" in February 1942, two weeks later going to Norway. Prinz Eugen did not operate in the Baltic again until late 1942, early 1943. For more information on the Prinz Eugen and 133 great photos, my book, Warship Pictorial #21 will be back from the printers in about 30 days. It is very important for us all to double check our information before putting it out on the net. Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: archive cost >> This may be true for most British subjects, but not all of them. A number of technical drawings and photographs have been published already in a number of books (drawings of HMS Drake in Warrior to Dreadnought for example). The Imperial War Museum and National Maritime Museum will charge hefty prices if you use them for one of your publications off course. They will not be able to prevent you, however, from using this information to help make a master for a 1/700 resin model (just as it does not prevent metal casters from making 1/1200 versions). In sources like this there should be enough info for 1/700 models of Royal Souvereign and Drake, and that is only in my small library. I suspect, though, that this is not the main reason for the non-appearing of kits of these subjects. The 1/700 resin market is simply hopelessly small and fragemented. A sales run for Drake would not be more than about 20-30 worldwide I think and that would be very small even for resin ..... << Pieter, The cost of just obtaining these drawings is very high. I guess the only way for you to believe me is to try for yourself. Also, the sales for the Drake would be higher than what you state, but there are many other subjects that are not done yet that will sell better. Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Loren Perry Subject: New see-through elevators for 1/350 Tamiya Enterprise Gold Medal Models is about to release a set of four photoetched elevator platforms for the 1/350 Tamiya Enterprise (CVN-65.) They will allow the modeler to replace the solid-plastic elevators supplied in the Tamiya kit with detailed perforated platforms as seen on the real ship. For more information, see the GMM website (www.goldmm.com) and go to the What's New section. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume