Subject: SMML VOL 1941 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:53:04 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: DUKW 2: Midget Submarines 3: Re: Apollo 12 - math and orbital dynamics 4: Re: Ship Preservation 5: Re: Midget Submarines 6: 1/250 scale railings? 7: Re: DUKW 8: Navy looks to speed up readiness for San Diego-based carrier 9: An open letter to Jim Baumann 10: 7-tape set & IJN 1/700 drawings 11: trumpeter/pitroad 12: Re: United States web site tour -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Warship Books is back in business 2: FREE Shipping Reminder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "RESEARCH" Subject: Re: DUKW I don't think I have seen it mentioned on here that ITALERI is soon to release a 1/35th scale model of the DUKW. FWIW Ray Mehlberger Contributing Armor Editor for INTERNET MODELER MAGAZINE www.internetmodeler.com (sometime ship modeler too) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Rui Francisco Matos" Subject: Midget Submarines Hello David!! About your recent purchases, I can assure you that they are both excellent models!! The FineMolds Ko-Hyoteki is accurate, but not for the Sidney attack version... It is a little bit different from the two versions included in the kit.. - It as a completely different nose guard and an extra curved net cutter in the conning tower. Although I think that it can be made with a little effort. My suggestion on resources for that model is Gakken Books nº35 (you can get it at HLJ too) which as a lot of good material (line drawings, diagrams, photos and CGI illustrations) depicting all the variants and some other evolutions on the Ko-Hyoteki. On the X-Craft the configuration on the PitRoad model is the same as used on the "D-1 Day"... I have the Accurate Armour X-Craft (also) and the photo's of the finished model depicts the subs on the Navigation Aid painting scheme, although I have not find an accurate painting scheme of it anywhere on my sources (I left this crying help here too!!!) But you can check accurate armour's website (Accurate products -> submarine models) and you'll find good pictures showing the grey + yellowish + white painting (I suppose that's Accurate!!!) Hope I could help Regards from Portugal, Rui Matos (aka Skipper) You can check out Skipper's work on his Mainbrace page on the SMML site. Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Apollo 12 - math and orbital dynamics From: annobon4@aol.com >> This isn't a trick question just a question. Personally I figure it might been 372 million miles. I used the distance of the sun to earth as a radius so for a diameter distance it would be twice that or half a orbit around the sun. To make a complete orbit around the sun it would be twice that .93+93 =186. 186+186 =372. I was just curious because there is a thousand or so people on this mailing list and maybe there might be a guy with masters degree in physics working for the aerospace industry. They would really know..Your right there isn't enough to go by because it's orbithasn't been revealed in detail. What the heck ya know? << Craig, Craig, oh Craig, how did you ever pass geometry? Your homework assignment is to look up the definition of the number pi. For those interested I'll do a quick, _very_ rough estimate: 93 million miles twice does equal 186, times pi (3.14) equals roughly 632 million miles per orbit. 32 orbits of Sol makes about 20.2 billion miles. Note that these numbers are for its Solar orbit; the orbital distance relative to the Earth is considerably more complex because it completed several orbits of Earth before taking off in AD 1971 and after being captured again. Joe Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Re: Ship Preservation John Snyder hit the nail on the head in regards to burying a vessel in the ground. In Galveston Texas is Seawolf Park. This the home of USS Stewart (DE238) and the the submarine USS Cavella. Stewart sits in a filled in hole in the ground. I have never visited her but I know her condition was so bad at one point no one was allowed on board. She is undergoing restoration but she still sits in the dirt. There does not seem to be much information on her material condition on their web site. Maybe some Texans can join in. In near by LaPorte Texas is the Grand old lady USS Texas(BB 35). She is afloat but landlocked in a basin adjacent to the Houston Ship Canal. This is way ships should be preserved and displayed. As a bonus, you don't have to deal with tidal changes. John Frohock ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Re: Midget Submarines Probably the best published source is 'Midget Submarines of the Second World War' by Paul Kemp Chatham Publishing). It includes a large scale drawing of X5-10, X20-25. Regards Les Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Subject: 1/250 scale railings? Hello all, I'm working on the Revell 1/253 scale model of the USCGC Eagle. I'm looking for ideas for sources for brass railings for this kit. I am assuming it is too much to hope for that someone has a detail set designed specifically for this kit, (or the German Gorch Fock). If my assumption is valid, what is the best (i.e. cost effective) way to get a small amount of 3 bar railing in that scale? (I'm guessing I'd need about 10 inches total.) Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Gary Subject: Re: DUKW Here are some interesting DUKW sites: http://my.voyager.net/~dukw/dukwpage.htm http://www.amphibiousvehicle.net http://www.tradingnorthwest.demon.co.uk/military.vehicles/index.html Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Navy looks to speed up readiness for San Diego-based carrier http://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/story/4517484p-5537034c.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: An open letter to Jim Baumann Dear Jim, Yes indeed I do know that you are a talented and award winning modelmaker. Your craftmanship is plain to all those who visit Model Warship.com or Steel Navy.com but why is it that you have recently decided to venture into territory where your knowledge is sadly lagging way behind your modelling skills??? Photograhps of your models of Russian, Chinese and Japanese pre-dreadnoughts have been displayed for some time at Model Warship and, recently, begun appearing at the Steel Navy. I have been silent about the photos at Model Warship because I have assumed that here is a tallented modeller who tries his hand at a new and unfamiliar subject -more power to him!!! But photos of your model posted at Steel Navy are accompanied by articles written apparently by you and which contain statements that I, for one, find patently untrue! Lets look at couple of examples: Photo of one of your models was titled "Chen Yuan, Imperial Chinese Battleship 1886. Modelkrak, 1:700 scale. Buily (sic!) by Jim Baumann". Author of the article states that: "...This were constructed in the German Vulcan yard and WERE PATTERNED AFTER AND SMALLER VERSIONS OF HMS Infexible..." No they weren't!!!! They were build as a modified versions of German panzercorvettes of "Sachsen" class!!! Further on author of the article states that: "...This model was backdated to her Chinese days, hence she is seen with the turret armament forward and aft..." The only backdating I have seen are two powered launches amidships (which were never a part of this ship boats complement) and square (incorrect) Chinese flag on the mast!!! To backdate this model correctly the 6inch guns and their sponsors (p & s sides of aft superstructure, main mast area) have to be removed too. And Japanese kept both forward and aft turrets on this ship, all they did was to change the guns!!! Dr. Kerry Jung, being a generous soul, says that "references are conflicting" but I have yet to see a reputable reference which shows "Chen Yuan" in Chinese service with her 6inch guns and sponsors present or "Chen Yen" in Japanese service without her bow and stern turrets.* Second photo is titled "Borodino, Imperial Russian Battleship 1904. Combrig 1:700 Scale. Built by Jim Baumann, photograph by Caroline Snyder". In the text of the article author (Jim Baumann himself) states that: "...The model of Kombrig Borodino was build with the aid of a dedicated Russian book on the class which allowed me to detail and accurize the model..." Dear sir, I would be very interested to know what "dedicated Russian book" did you use because the model in the photographs is certainly not "Borodino", in fact the model does not represent ANY of the of the "Borodino" class ships but is a strange amalgam of all four!!! Let me tell you how "Borodino" should have looked like: she, as the only ship of the class, didn't have any pipes adjacent to her funnels. She didn't have compass platform just aft of her forward funnel. On ther main bridge, just behind the mast there was an additional cabin on the first and the second level of the bridge as well as the second cabin (forward of the mast) on the first level of the bridge aft. No boats (on any of the ships) were ever stoved on the battery deck just aft of the midship turret since it would be blasted to splinters the first time this turred fired anywhere in aft quadrant.** Now we are all fallible and prone to an occasional mistake. Nobody knows it all and we all learn throu experience but, if you have decided to try something new and unusual, wouldn't it be wiser to gather some more references and maybe ask some questions before going ahead and write words like "backdated" or "accurized" with such a apparent confidence??? Regards Darius Przezdziecki * References: A.Mach "The Chinese Battleships" Warship vol.VIII 1984; J.Itani (et all) "Sankeikan: Japan's coast deffence battleships of the Matsushima class" Warship vol. XIV 1990; Drawings of "Tin Yuen" by D.Nottlemann & J.Tenner, research by K.Jang, D.Nottlemann, D.Stehman and J.Tenner. ** References: P.M.Malenikov "Battleships of "Borodino" type" Battleships of Russian Fleet series; V.V.Arbuzov "Borodino" class armoured ships" Armored ships of the world series; S.Suliga "Ships of Russo-Japanese War -Russian Fleet"; D.G.Malkov " Guide to the war at sea" vol.II ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "David Miller" Subject: 7-tape set & IJN 1/700 drawings I know we are supposed to avoid "e***" things on this list and for hundreds items I never have, BUT these two things are special to SMMLies and right now they are dirt cheap. One is a 7 tape set(VHS-US) called Campaigns in the Pacific. This is about 10 hours of viewing. the reason it is special is the rare footage. Although it has its share of narrative vs. pictures mistakes, the footage is generally not the recycled John Ford and Victory at Sea stuff. For instance, Coral Sea and Midway have pics of SBD-3's, F4F.s and TDB's! One shot I like is the camera is mounted on the center elevator of CV-6 and you "ride" it down to a full length shot of the hanger deck. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1564742143&rd=1 The other is Model Art's book on IJN Carriers, Seaplane Tenders, Armed Auxiliaries, Submarines and Sub Tenders. This book has 1/700 drawings on these vessels. Larger ships are in a fold-out format, for instance one fold-out has the Akagi before moderniztion on one side and after on the other. Most of the major vessels include deck plans, others are just side views. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1769075886&rd=1 Dave Miller Palm Bay, FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Pwesty" Subject: trumpeter/pitroad Hi Can anyone tell me if Trumpeter/Pitroad 1/700 Iowas class are any good? Just wondering and thanks ;-) “Light off the warp core. Make preparation for getting under way” ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Ted0330@aol.com Subject: Re: United States web site tour I just finished the picture 'tour' of the United States. It is devastating. I don't see how it could possibly be restored to any economically viable function. Let's keep the pics and the memories, and move on, not without sadness. Ted Tsaltas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Warship Books is back in business Hi all, Well it has been a long time in coming but I am finally back in business. Please visit the site for full information on all of the following books. 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