Subject: SMML VOL 1945 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:18:51 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Airfix 1/600 HMS Warspite: making purse from a sow's ear... 2: Classic Airframes kits 3: How many errors do you allow in your models? 4: Re: Wash Technique 5: Re: Preserving Ships - HMAS Australia 6: Wrecks 7: Re: Next PSM issue coming soon? I hope! 8: Re: dukw 9: HMAS Australia 10: USCGC Eagle deck wash 11: Re: U.S.S. ALBACORE 12: Merchant Shipping losses 13: Japanese Midget Sub 14: Bismarck Book 15: Heller Items on sale/closeout 16: congratulations DP and JB et al 17: Re: La Moqueuse" 18: Re: Preserving Ships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: B-Resina Glowworm/WSW Royal Oak 2: Model ships for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Terry Wiltshire Subject: Re: Airfix 1/600 HMS Warspite: making purse from a sow's ear... >> OK, guys, I'm going to be tackling my first conversion/super-detail project soon: converting the Airfix 1/600 HMS Warspite kit to waterline and building a decent model out of it. I am going to get the WEM PE for this kit. I was wondering if there's a guide or something available that lists what need to be fixed, etc. Has anyone here super-detailed the Airfix Warspite kit before? Any invaluable books/references that don't cost an arm and a leg? I know Profile Morskie had one out, but I was too late to get one. << Hyun Yu There is an Anatomy of the Ship "Battleship Warspite" which is full of the usual detailed drawings. Mine cost me the princly sum of £14 and was published in 1986. They have one on Abe Books for 38.50. Another book I have is Battleship Warspite by V.E. Tarrant. This is more of a written history of the ship but is full of useful pictures. I've seen a new book advertised called Warships of the Royal Navy Warspite at £19.95 but have never looked at it. I've also got the profile Morskie! White Ensign are advertising the Profile Morskie book but hint you must be quick. As you may have guessed I'm a bit of a Warspite fan. The problem is buying this lot may cost you that arm and leg you are so reluctant to part with!! Good luck with your project Terry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "David Miller" Subject: Classic Airframes kits I build (perhaps collect is a better term) 1/48 WWII aircraft and 1/700 ships. The Classic Airframes kits are very nice BUT they are multimedia kits and limited production. Thus you must work on fit of parts and be able to handle PE and resin parts. There are many internet articles on building these kits and you should search these out. Kit quality varies per subject. Dave Miller Palm Bay, FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Kerry L. Jang" Subject: How many errors do you allow in your models? Hi all, I'm a fairly "lax" modeller when it comes to accuracy. I do try, but I do let things go when I'm keen to get the model done. Here's a question: Which error is worse? Errors of "commission" - putting in stuff that was never there, or errors of "ommissions" - leaving stuff off that should have been there? Since we are on the topic of Jim Baumann's Chen Yuen, a ship near and dear to my heart, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? Lets take a benign example, the Chen Yuan never carried steam launches as Jim has fitted. Lots a photos to prove it and tables describing the ship's particulars never mention them, backed up by contemporary drawings. Would you have a) like Jim, fit the steam launches on the boat racks, or b) left them off. I suppose I would have left the boat racks empty for a couple of reasons: 1) I could always argue the boats were out and nobody would be the wiser, thus preserving some semblence of accuracy, and 2) one less tedious thing to install on the model increasing my "fun" factor a little (I get my thrill when the thing is done!)! Opinions? Dr. Kerry Jang Vancouver, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: Re: Wash Technique Bill, My prefferred way doing it is this; Once I finish painting the model and ready for a wash, I apply a nice coat of Future. Let it dry completely. I give a black wash with terpentine. This stuff is strong, takes a long time to dry and sticky, but if you apply a nice coat and wait enough to handle, it is the best medium to flow nicely on the future. You can control the amount of enamel black paint as you want the model to be dirty. Regards, Sami Arim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Peter Webster Subject: Re: Preserving Ships - HMAS Australia She was scuttled 24 miles off Sydney Heads - right where the edge of the continental shelf falls away and therefore probably a LONG way down. Sounds like a job for a submersible - any takers?? Peter Webster Oz, Sydney ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Lou Meszaros Subject: Wrecks Has anyone seen the documentary of the expedition of the Yamato? Was it made into a video? On a related note, is there a resource that lists naval wrecks and any dive pictures that were taken? Thanks, Lou ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Next PSM issue coming soon? I hope! PSM is in the works but no where near being a new issue yet....last one has been out only a couple months. RDB. Contributing Editor, PSM. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Subject: Re: dukw I stand gratefully corrected on the dukw kit. OK, so where's that d@mn M-2? ;-) Steve Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Kevin Woodruff Subject: HMAS Australia Steve: According to what I've been able find out, the HMAS Australia was scuttled on April 12, 1924, twenty-four miles off Sydney Head in 150 fathoms. The decimal latitude and longitude according to the shipwreck database is Lat Max (decimal Degrees) 33.8875 Long Max (decimal Degrees)151.7675 Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: USCGC Eagle deck wash Bill, A wash would be a simple, fast option for your scribed deck. I agree with you about acrylics, I've never learned to love them for washes. An oil based treatment (preferrably artist's oils cut with turpentine)over an acrylic base is safe, just don't overdo it. I wouldn't use black or gray, though. Even though black is the correct color, the contrast with the light teak in small scales never seems to look right. Try a medium to dark brown instead. Even though it is not the actual color of the caulk, the more subtle contrast with the tan deck better mimics what the eye would actually see at scale distance. There is another, more elaborate approach to simulating teak decks. After painting the deck tan and before the wash, mask off random "planks" with narrow strips of masking tape. Airbrush over the whole thing again, using a lightened version of the basic deck color. Leaving those masks in place, mask more planks, and cover again with a still lighter hue. It's a bit of work, but when you remove the masks the result is a nice planked deck with slightly varying plank colors. If the contrast looks too stark, you can reduce it by lightly misting the whole thing with the base tan color. Go easy with this last step, though. I recently used this method for the first time on my Revell USCGC Taney but overdid the final mist coat, almost wiping out those lovely contrasts. Still, those individual planks are subtly there if anyone looks closely! I hope this helps. Tim Reynaga ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: U.S.S. ALBACORE >> Is (or was) there a W W 2 ALBACORE? The ALBACORE I had referred to earlier was truly a post-war experimental vessel, now a museum in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, USA. << Yes, USS Albacore, SS-218, Presumed lost off Hokkaido, 7NOV44. Reported by japanese to have hit a mine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Brett Morrow" Subject: Merchant Shipping losses G`day All, I happened to be looking for research material on Jap Midget subs,and came across this very interesting site which lists allied merchant shipping lost in Australian waters duing WW2 and details the intense Japanese sub operations down the eastern seaboard, also explains the movements of a German U-boat operating in Sth. Aust waters. This site is an absolute wealth of information, including a comprehensive listing and associated info on all Jap air raids over the Top End, Jap Landings on Aust. soil, the defencive Brisbane Line & linked fortifications and much more, Good on ya Peter Dunn on an excellent website, I`m sure there are a lot of SMML`s out there who would find this site interesting, check it out at_(www.OZATWAR.com) Brett Morrow. Penrith N.S.W. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Brett Morrow" Subject: Japanese Midget Sub G`day All, Just got my purchase of a 1/35 scale resin kit of a type "A" Midget sub in the mail today,the same class which executed the Sydney Harbour raid. The kit was produced by ex-submariner Allen Cobcroft,and I must congratulate him on a fine kit,only 20 of these kits have been made of which purhaps half remain, if your interested you can reach Allen at (cobanco@bigpond.com) To Rui, I agree,the kit is very accurate complete with pro plans, good on ya Al. BRETT M ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Bismarck Book I have been informed that there is to be an Anatomy of the Ship volume on the Bismarck. Out of small interest can anyone confirm this? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Robert Healy" Subject: Heller Items on sale/closeout All, For those of you building Heller kits, Model Expo is having a closeout on some of them. A lot of sailing ships but the Bismark, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and Gneisnau are on sale for 19.99 (USD) plus shipping. I am not sure but there may be another discount on top of that, you will have to look around for the code. Link: http://www.modelexpo-online.com Regards, Bob Healy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Gernot Hassenpflug Subject: congratulations DP and JB et al I have not seen a fun thread like this start up since, oh, the un-named British battlecruiser issues. I agree with both DP and JB, and say, good fortune to you both, and may we all benefit from the technical/historical insight that comes thus to light on one side, and the reflections on our hobby on the other. My standard disclaimer will henceforth have to read somewhere along the lines of: these shells are unfused, and can thus not possibly be construed as being part of any aggressive, or - ahem! - pre-emptive actions. For a pre-dreadnought (well, armoured cruiser) model done in my own style, see my webpage: http://www.kurasc.kyoto-u.ac.jp/radar-group/members/gernot/izumo/main.html Cheers, Gernot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Starline / Fleetline Subject: Re: La Moqueuse" Whoever is after pics of 'La Moqueuse' (P-400) I have quite a few reference photos taken while she was visiting Melbourne a couple of years ago. If there is anything specific you're looking for please contact us on the above e-mail address. Kevin at Fleetline ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Starline / Fleetline Subject: Re: Preserving Ships >> Has there been any known attempts to dive on the battlecruiser HMAS Australia? I thought that vessel was scuttled somewhere of one of the coasts of Australia. << Australia (I) was unfortunately scuttled off Sydney Heads in water way too deep for diving, other than the RAN using her on occasion as a sonar target no one has visited her since. There is alot of Australian naval history totally unexplored. Hell they should have been able to locate SYDNEY (II) off WA by now. Rumour has it it's too sensitive a subject for the RAN. There are at least two groups looking for her but naturally funding is the problem as our Government isn't interested. Good news is the RAN dives on PERTH in Sunda Strait on a semi regular basis to replace the White Ensign on the wreck. As well as Ballard doing the CANBERRA in Iron Bottom Sound. What I personally like to see them finally find is the missing midget sub in Sydney Harbour. Several have looked and come up with alot of car wrecks but no sub as yet. (Yes we recovered two after the attack.) Guess there is still hope as evidenced by the recent discovery of the Pearl Harbour/ WARD midget. Kevin at Fleetline ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: The Normans Subject: B-Resina Glowworm/WSW Royal Oak I have received notification of two new kits from WSW/B-Resina: WSW 700-43; HMS Royal Oak, 1939. $95.00 BR 712; HMS Glowworm, 1939 G-class destroyer. $22.00 Other recent releases: WSW 700-42; Schleswig-Holstein, 1939. $46.00 WSW 700-19; Potemkin, 1905. $46.00 Shipping for all orders is $5.00 (U.S. addresses). Shipping is the same for one kit (cheap) or 10 kits (really cheap). I will fax a purchase order to WSW in Germany on Tuesday, 8 October. For a complete listing of all currently available kits and accessories, ordering and general information, please check out our web site: www.wic.net/~rms/ Questions/orders? Please contact me off list: rms@wic.net Thanks! Lisa D. Norman / aka Rocky Mountain Shipyard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Model ships for sale Hello all, I'm selling the following ships if anyone's interested. Postage cost will be determined by destination, whether domestic (US) or foreign. Paypal is the preferred method of payment, but money orders and personal checks are also welcome. All prices USD. First come first served. 1/350 Blue Water Navy 1/350 Aaron Ward, DD483. $80. 1/700 Tamiya USS Fletcher $8 Tamiya USS Enterprise (CV6) $15 Tamiya USS Hornet $15 Tamiya USS Hornet $15 (duplicate kit) Tamiya USS Bogue $15 Hasegawa USS Alabama $10 Fujimi USS Missouri $15 (WWII Fit) Skywave USS Gearing $12 Skywave USS Callaghan $12 DML USS San Diego $12 (Atlanta class) Matchbox USS San Diego $8 Matchbox USS Indianapolis $9 Also I have some Nichimo 1/300 scale US Navy Jet sets. These were a 2 aircraft set, highly detailed with separate landing gear, drop tanks, and missiles as appropriate. Decals for various squadrons included. F18A Hornet and S3A Viking EA6B Prowler and F4J Phantom F8E Crusader and A6E Intruder A4F Skyhawk and RA5C Vigilante A7E Corsair and F14A Tomcat I'm asking $5.00 for each set, plus postage. Thanks, Rod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume