Subject: SMML VOL 1951 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 01:13:45 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Mini Hobby CV-6, CV-8 2: Dell ships 3: Re: sydney harbour missing sub 4: Re: HMAS Canberra 5: Washes 6: Nautical Trivia..... 7: Re: proposed battleships - Tiger 1912 8: Re: Info and photos for the Albatros class patrol boat 9: Re: RN Dreadnoughts 10: Re: IHP Hobbies 11: J, K, L/Tribal Class DD Bridge Details ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject: Mini Hobby CV-6, CV-8 Has anyone seen the Mini Hobby 1/700 Enterprise CV-6 and Hornet CV-8. Looking at the box art (only) the Hornet looked more like the USS Tarawa than the Hornet. I have no idea what the kit looks like. Thanks, Michael Zimmerman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "L'Arsenal" Subject: Dell ships Hello, Dell ships were produced a long, long time ago and are extermely rare to find these days. They were a mix between kits and bathtub toys. Inside the hull most had a carpenter nail to make them float quite properly! So far I know the following subjects: Arromanches carrier Contre-torpilleur Le Terrible Chasseur 123 Aviso Colonial One or two more could have existed but I do not remember their names. You'll be very lucky if you find some! Best regards from Normandie, Jacques Druel L'Arsenal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Re: sydney harbour missing sub well according to the latest sonar survey taken by aircraft that used "laser" sonar (was in the other weekends Sydney morning herald), they found something like 10 new wrecks, some they think are no larger than small boats like barges etc, but about 2 or 3 new "large boats"...as for the missing sub...the opinion is that it is buried under Darling Harbour or went out to sea never to be seen again. Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Russ Smith" Subject: Re: HMAS Canberra I bought mine from Pacific Front Hobbies years ago. I think your best bet would be to go to Bookfinder.com and put the author's name and the title in. I have found many of the other books in this series this way. Including the ones on the Perth, Australia, and Sidney. If they don't have any listed keep checking every couple of days something will eventually show up. Good Luck! Russ Smith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "wblad" Subject: Washes My personal choice for washes is ink. It comes in a variety of colors. Dark brown is best for the seams between wood deck planking. It needs to be thinned just as paint does, but there is never a problem with coarsely groung pigment. As with most washes, a clear coat should be applied first. Gloss if you want a showroom finish, or flat if you want to show weathering. The rough texture of a flat coat holds a little of the color. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "shaya" Subject: Nautical Trivia..... I just ran across the following nautical expressions; some of them might be of interesting/humorous/educational Scuttlebutt - A butt was a barrel. Scuttle meant to chop a hole in something. The scuttlebutt was a water barrel with a hole cut into it so that sailors could reach in and dip out drinking water. The scuttlebutt was the place where the ship's gossip was exchanged. Garbled - Garbling was the prohibited practice of mixing rubbish with the cargo. A distorted, mixed up message was said to be garbled. No Great Shakes - When casks became empty they were "shaken" (taken apart) so the pieces, called shakes, could be stored in a small space. Shakes had very little value. Fly-by-Night - A large sail used only for sailing downwind and requiring rather little attention. Start Over with a Clean Slate - A slate tablet was kept near the helm on which the watch keeper would record the speeds, distances, headings and tacks during the watch. If there were no problems during the watch, the slate would be wiped clean so that the new watch could start over with a clean slate Let the Cat Out of the Bag - In the Royal Navy the punishment prescribed for most serious crimes was flogging. This was administered by the Bosun's Mate using a whip called a cat o' nine tails. The "cat" was kept in a leather or baize bag. It was considered bad news indeed when the cat was let out of the bag. Other sources attribute the expression to the old english market scam of selling someone a pig in a poke (bag) when the pig turned out to be a cat instead. Taking the wind out of his sails - Sailing in a manner so as to steal or divert wind from another ship's sails. Son of a Gun - When in port, and with the crew restricted to the ship for any extended period of time, wives and ladies of easy virtue often were allowed to live aboard along with the crew. Infrequently, but not uncommonly, children were born aboard, and a convenient place for this was between guns on the gun deck. If the child's father was unknown, they were entered in the ship's log as "son of a gun". A Square Meal - In good weather, crews' mess was a warm meal served on square wooden platters. The Devil to Pay - To pay the deck seams meant to seal them with tar. The devil seam was the most difficult to pay because it was curved and intersected with the straight deck planking. Some sources define the "devil" as the below-the-waterline-seam between the keel and the adjoining planking. Paying the Devil was considered to be a most difficult and unpleasant task. Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea - The devil seam was the curved seam in the deck planking closest to the side of the ship and next to the scupper gutters. If a sailor slipped on the deck, he could find himself between the devil and the deep blue sea. Above Board - Anything on or above the open deck. If something is open and in plain view, it is above board. Under the Weather - If a crewman is standing watch on the weather side of the bow, he will be subject to the constant beating of the sea and the ocean spray. He will be under the weather. Slush Fund - A slushy slurry of fat was obtained by boiling or scraping the empty salted meat storage barrels. This stuff called "slush" was often sold ashore by the ship's cook for the benefit of himself or the crew. The money so derived became known as a slush fund. Toe the Line - When called to line up at attention, the ship's crew would form up with their toes touching a seam in the deck planking. The Bitter End - The end of an anchor cable is fastened to the bitts at the ship's bow. If all of the anchor cable has been payed out you have come to the bitter end. Pipe Down - Means stop talking and be quiet. The Pipe Down was the last signal from the Bosun's pipe each day which meant "lights out" and "silence". Footloose - The bottom portion of a sail is called the foot. If it is not secured, it is footloose and it dances randomly in the wind. To Know the Ropes - There were miles and miles of cordage in the rigging of a square rigged ship. The only way of keeping track of and knowing the function of all of these lines was to know where they were located. It took an experienced seaman to know the ropes. Over the Barrel - The most common method of punishment aboard ship was flogging. The unfortunate sailor was tied to a grating, mast or over the barrel of a deck cannon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SolidStump@aol.com Subject: Re: proposed battleships - Tiger 1912 >> But yes, I'll second a 1:350 HMS Tiger 1912 in resin... << Third!!!! I believe someone said Steel Navy is supposed to be working on Lutzow/Derfflinger(?). Let's round out the whole battlecruiser deal and get a 1914 Kongo/Haruna/Hiei/Krishima too. Simon Scheuer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Sean Hert Subject: Re: Info and photos for the Albatros class patrol boat Nathan- I have a few photos from around the web, including the German Navy site. I have a photo showing the bow breaking through a wave that clearly shows red under the waterline. If you would like, contact me off the list and I can email some photos to you. Sean ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ted0330@aol.com Subject: Re: RN Dreadnoughts I E-mailed ISW about the Invincible, and got no reply. It was listed as 'coming soon' on their web site, and I was red hot for the kit. I have the ICM Konig and the ISW Seydlitz. They make a nice pair in 1:350, and it's interesting to contrast the features of the two kit designers. I'm hoping to do the same with the Dreadnought kit (working on it now) and that Invincbile kit, if it ever arrives. My dream is to have each class of battle cruiser in 1:350. Probably be too old to care by the time THAT dream comes true..... Ted ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Ted0330@aol.com Subject: Re: IHP Hobbies Thanks very much for the tip to this web site. I never heard of these guys before- did I miss a link from other modelling sites? Their selection of kits is unusual. I don't like 1:700 as much as 1:350, but for Lexington and S.D. kits I think I'll compromise on scale. Thanks, Ted ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "maeisen@erols.com" Subject: J, K, L/Tribal Class DD Bridge Details Friends: I was wondering whether anyone can direct me to a source for photos or line drawings of details concerning the bridge arrangements of wartime (WWII) British J, K, L & Tribal class destroyers. I'm not interested in general arrangements (I have this kind of info from the standard references--Profile Morskie, "The Kelly's", etc.) but details such as the placement of electrical boxes, wiring and piping, guages, and the like. I'm trying to superdetail the bridges for my 1/700 WEM Kashmir and Samek Eskimo kits, and want to go to town. Do the John Lambert plans for the J, K, Ls have this kind of bridge detail? Are Lambert plans for Tribals still forthcoming? Any help will be greatly appreciated. After seeing some of the detail that the aircraft modelers put in a 1/72 scale cockpit, I say why not for a 1/700 scale bridge! I guess this is a potential entry for the previous thread about neuroses and super-detailing. Consider me a candidate. Yours truly, Mike Eisenstadt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume