Subject: SMML VOL 1965 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:18:26 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: City Class Ironclads 2: Re: Takasago 3: Looking for Shinano photo 4: Re: Old references 5: Re: Mr Sweeney 6: Re: Old References 7: Taney decks 8: Re: Revell Taney - extent of steel deck on focsl? 9: Re: Old References 10: Re: My pennys worth! 11: Re: My pennys worth! 12: USS WARD In 1/700 scale 13: what's the new link for Samek ship models 14: Definitive writings 15: K-Gun cranes 16: San Francisco visit ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Re: Tri-State NRG meeting -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: ship models for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Re: City Class Ironclads Cottage Industries (http://www.cottage-industries.com/default.asp), who produce a 1/96th scale USS Weehawken, have stated that if their line continues - depending on customer support - that they will be doing a 1/96th scale Cairo in the future. Devin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Takasago Mr. Kubota, Falk Pletscher stated that the second photo of Takasago (later used by Jentschura et all) was originally published in "Japan, Her Strength and Her Beauty" in 1904 by P.F. Collier & Son so the photogarph must have been made some time before that date. However you argument that the cruiser was painted in two tone scheme only until she arrived to Japan might be valid in the case of both photographs. So far I have seen three photos of this ship but I am personally of an opinion that all those photos are a part of one set, made by the same photographer and at more or less the same time. Best wishes D.P ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SteveWiper Subject: Looking for Shinano photo Do any of you out there in the electronic world, or otherwise, know of, or have a copy of a particular photo of the Shinano under construction prior to launching? This photo was taken about 1944, while Shinano was fitting out in the drydock. If you do have a copy of this, could you scan it at high resolution and e-mail it to me? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks, Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Old references Richard Sweeney wrote: >> The comment was that "First research always has time constraints on it." I think it was DP who made the comment, but the answers seemed to address the future discovery of information, not the imperative to be first in print. In this case I would agree with DP. If it was I who mis-inturpreted the comment, my apologies to the group. << No Richard, you did not mis-interpret my comment. The question of being "first in print" wasn't the point, the point was that all research needs to end eventually and all the information discovered after that can only be included in a reprint or a revision which may or may not happen. Regards Darius Przezdziecki ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: WRPRESSINC@ Subject: Re: Mr Sweeney Dear Mr Sweeney, Where have you been all this time? Have you been observing from afar? Speak up my boy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: Old References I was first in print once, it haunted me all my life. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: Taney decks Steve, You are right, the fo'c'sle break in the Revell Taney kit is accurate, except Revell depicts it as planked when it was in fact plain steel. According to my dad, who served aboard Taney as a member of the Deck Force in the late 1950s, the steel decks were a "blue-gray", so my guess would be that the USCG at the time was still using up old WWII paint stocks. He says the hull/superstructure white was a low sheen "refrigerator white", very bright. (However, he also remembers with unshakable certainty that Taney NEVER had a spot of rust when he was aboard... despite some incriminating dockside photos he took at the time...!) The Revell kit is a fairly accurate representation of the Taney of the early-to-mid 1950s, but there are some minor inaccuracies: As with the fo'c'sle, the fantail from the ends of the depth charge tracks to the stern was steel, not planked as the model kit shows. There were similar steel areas under the whaleboats on the main deck 'midships, which Revell incorrectly depicts as planked. On the other hand, Revell shows the bridge wing decks as steel, but these were actually planked. Also, the ship's bell was not located on the back of the foremast as in the kit but rather out in front of the bridge, just above the windows. Finally, the kit decal shows the red call sign "NRDC", which is correct for the Campbell, but Taney was "NRDT". (The kit was originally released as the Campbell, which may explain some of the discrepancies.) Still, the Revell Taney is a good kit. Have fun with it! Regards, Tim Reynaga ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Bob Evans Subject: Re: Revell Taney - extent of steel deck on focsl? Steve, The steel deck extended from bow to stern ... the teak decking on top of the steel deck started right aft of the 5" 38 caliber closed mount and went aft almost to the fantail where it stopped. Bob Evans Franciscan Hobbies http://www.franciscanhobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: Old References I can tell you the thing is a minefield, I am in the process of compiling Camouflage volume 1V. I cannot tell you the fear that I am going through in anticipating the negative comments that will fall upon me at publication. I shall bear up of course. And being English (sort of), I will prevail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SteveWiper Subject: Re: My pennys worth! >> I do not think the book on The Submarine Alliance however, can be beaten! We put together a great package there, BUT it did not sell well. Why was this? I ask. << Really bad subject for sales potential. If you want big sales numbers, its battleships, cruisers and carriers. >> Because the museum where the actual ship is on display in all its glory was not aware that the book exists. So it was never used as an outlet by the publisher. When the museum got to see the book it was long out of print. (But the submariners that did see a copy on the 25th Anniversary of her lying in state all wanted a copy). This is down to the publisher. They (I assume) want to make available the information, and they have a sales team that never "got it together". They were informed, but it never happened! << This does not surprise me in the least. I personally have completely given up on museums. I will not pursue their business as it has become a waste of time. They do not seem to be run by people who know how to make money. Everyone I have tried to do business with is in dire financial need. Why? Because every one of the persons that are running this type of venture is not very good at marketing. Sad, but true, Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SteveWiper Subject: Re: My pennys worth! >> When Chris's excellent publication was published about J, K and N class destroyers. He had to prune his text and about half the drawings that I produced failed to see the light of day. Not our fault, but it happens. << A most excellent book. I highly recommend this to all. Unfortunately, the big publishers have yet to figure out that PHOTOS & DRAWINGS SELL! Just one more reason why I publish and distribute my own books. Great job guys, Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: USS WARD In 1/700 scale I know the WSW has the ward in 1/700 but as a fast troop transporter in 1944, is this its only configeration or do I need to rebuild it if I want Pearl Harbour Dec 7 version??? also how easy/hard is it?? regards Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: what's the new link for Samek ship models it used to be samek.hyperlink.cz but I think they moved or did they close it down?? Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Definitive writings Who was it that observed that copying from another author was plagiarism, copying from two or more authors was research? Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: K-Gun cranes Here's another obscure question about a small shipboard item (can you tell that I'm in the final detailing stages of a project?). The K-Guns that USN warships used to toss depth charges had a handling crane that was vertically mounted between the 4 or 5 ready depth charges. When were these cranes mounted? At all times underway, or only when at GQ? If not mounted, where would they be stowed? (I'm asking for the USS Juneau, CL-52). Thanks, Devin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: cfrieden Subject: San Francisco visit >> I'll be in San Francisco for the fleet parade weekend on 10-12 -02... Any suggestion of any other sites (ships) worth seeing? Sorry for my ingorance, is one of the USS Iowa class battleship there as a museum ship now?? Any info is much appreciated... << A good spot to view the parade and airshow is Hyde St. Pier. This is where all of the older historic ships are berthed. It is right next the maritime museum and Aquatic Park. You have to pay to get on the pier, but the money includes admission to several ships. The main viewing area is located along the shore to the side of the pier. A few blocks down at Fisherman’s Wharf (Pier 45) is the WWII Balao class submarine USS Pampanito. The WWII Liberty ship Jeremiah O’Brien is normally berthed there as well, but she will be doing bay cruises during the show. Last I heard we will actually be sailing in the parade on Saturday. Tickets may still be available- contact our office if you are interested- info is at the ship’s website (www.ssjeremiahobrien.com). I believe the O’Brien will be closed Friday through Monday. Also, if you can get across the bay the aircraft carrier Hornet is located at the former NAS Alameda. Regards, Chris Friedenbach Crewmember, SS Jeremiah O’Brien ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mccullough, Vincent" Subject: Re: Tri-State NRG meeting Just a clarification. This is not a "tri-state" meeting, but the annual Nautical Research Guild conference. The conferences bring in people all over the US, Canada, and often some members from Europe, Central and South America and (occasionally) Japan. Vince McCullough Director, Nautical Research Guild ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "William" Subject: ship models for sale model kits for sale and price. model shipways flying fish 150.00 plus s&h sc.1/8"=1' l. 36" ht.22 1/2. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume