Subject: SMML VOL 1978 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:24:35 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Paulding camouflage -- Once again into the breach 2: Re: Nautilus- Jules Verne 3: Re: Columbus Day 4: Re: Brooklyn 5: You never stop learing! 6: Re: To Craig on Sub question 7: Airfix Naval Destroyers of WWII set 8: HMS Nottingham in Sydney 9: Great Web Site- Soviet Navy WW2 10: My Current Project 11: Aurora 32 Skid-doo 12: Red Lead ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: EDWARD GRUNE Subject: Paulding camouflage -- Once again into the breach There was a post for information a few days back for information on camouflage on the Paulding-class destroyers during WWI. The subject has drawn no responses. I have recently posted a similar request for information on the shipcamouflage.com message board. To date it has also drawn no responses. I'll repost my question here - perhaps we can get something going. In Alan Raven's excellent monograph on the development of naval camouflage which was printed in Plastic Ship Modeler, and reprinted on the shipcamouflage.com website there is an observation about US dazzle camouflage in the first World War. "… Norman Wilkinson, the inventor of Dazzle camouflage, arrived in the United States in order to promote his ideas. Dazzle camouflage had been adopted on a widespread basis throughout the British Merchant Fleet and by many warships of the patrol and escort type. So successful was he in convincing the U.S. authorities of the value of Dazzle camouflage that they immediately authorized all ocean-going merchant ships to be so painted. The camouflage section of the Shipping Board prepared a total of 495 Dazzle designs, of these 302 were applied to merchant ships, 193 were applied to warships from cruisers down to patrol vessels and minesweepers. In addition to the above, 36 U.S. destroyers serving in British waters were painted in Dazzle patterns prepared by Norman Wilkinson." "The range of colors used by the American Navy in 1917-1918 was extensive, ranging from black to white and just about everything in-between. Because of the lack of knowledge as to what ranges of colors were suitable for use on ships at sea, there were colors used that were [later] eschewed in World War II, such as reds, violets, and yellows. The total number of colors employed is unknown, but when coupled with the large number used by the British in their "Dazzle" designs, the author believes that well over two hundred [colors] were used on ships." Additions in brackets for context readability are mine. There are several photos of US Navy destroyers from the first World War available. Among the photos, one of my favorites is of the USS Henley - with its lightning-bolt dazzle: http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/0503901.jpg The photo appears to show the dazzle camouflage in three tones; light (white ?), dark (black ?), and a middle tone. Is there any evidence to suggest what were the most popular colors applied to the US Navy's convoy force ships at the time? I doubt if the light color was a yellow. Wouldn't the orthochromic film of the period turned that color a darker hue? With a choice of 200 colors, it seems to be a shame to paint a WWI ship model in black, white, and gray. Jon Warneke has sent me a preview copy of his new Paulding-class destroyer and I need a reason to not paint her in shades of black and white - how about red and violet! Ed Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: ELLshipmodeler Subject: Re: Nautilus- Jules Verne I am late entering this discussion, and I may be referring to the wrong sub, but - Several years ago I ordered from England a few of the Comet Miniatures' kits of the "Nautilus Submarine" from the original movie. I am willing to part with up to three of them, essentially at cost, as best as I can remember. In addition to the box art there are the words: Made in England. Comet Miniatures Jules Verne's Nautilus Submarine CM001 12 inches - 305 mm length 1/350 Scale Detailed Scale Model for adult collectors Not suitable for children under 14 due to small parts content. High Quality Limited run model kit Complete with white metal accessories and including squib stand. Designed by P. S. Thomas I opened one, but the rest are sealed with the original tape. The model is Vacuform plastic, heavier than usual, so the builder needs experience with that material. The best I can remember, after the exchange rate, the postage to US and the import duty they cost $40.00 each. If anyone is interested you can have one for an additional postage of $5.00. I have no commercial interests. I just happen to "have" these kits. Contact me off list at ELLshipmodeler@aol.com If you will be at the NRG Conference later this week in Pennsylvania it will save you the postage. Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG (Retired Chairman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: Columbus Day There is a true sequel to my true story about the kid on CONSTITUTION mis-idetifying the significance of thr Fourth of July. On the News program of a major Boston TV station a long-time "reporter" (i.e. "cue card reader") referred to October 14 (actually the 12th, but celebrated on the nearest Monday) as the day we honor a founder of our country!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could get as much money as these Talking Heads do for making such (dare I say it ?) ignorant observations. Alas. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Brooklyn >> Has anyone heard of a 1/350 resin kit for the USS Brooklyn of the Spanish American War era? << Yes Oh you want details?? :-) Iron Shipwright has announced one as has Y-S Masterpieces Both are some time away from release Sample shots of the hull from a Brooklyn were shown on SteelNavy as a mystery model. Odds on favorite is that it is the ISW kit which based on their usual scheduling, indicates a probable release by Early next Year. Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: lamkeel Subject: You never stop learing! Hi you all (Again)! Some months ago I mentioned a new site where the huge photographic collection of Vickers products were displayed. Then, there were apparently 3000 images stored. That has now increased to some 8000. The various Naval categories include - Depth Charges. Naval Guns, Torpedoes, Director Towers, Paravanes, Mines and Rocket Launchers. The site is very user friendly (even for the brain dead like me). Each page has about 9 icons which can be enlarged for a look see, before going onto the next page. In some cases the text information is a little sparse but all the wartime weapons are listed, as well as many products produced from WW1 between the two conflicts and those that were exported to friendly nations. In general the photographs show early production weapons in the erecting shop, with much close up detail included in other photographs. Thus the popular twin 4" Mark XIX mounting shown, only depicts the mountings issued from 1938 and does not show those later production mountings with larger sight apertures etc. But there is a facility to ask for specific information. This is a large source of new information covering one of the major armament producers for the Royal Navy for over 60 years. See www.dockmuseum.org.uk Yours "Aye" John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: annobon4 Subject: Re: To Craig on Sub question Hi Guys No I don't have any plans or know were to get them.All I really remember is that this version was made by CBS in either early or mid 1990's. By the way speaking of Disney's 20,000 Leagues under the Sea they used a actual sub.with the Nautilius mock -up on top of it. The real sub was the USS REDFISH SS-395. It was used in the spring of 1954 and in 1957 was used for the movie Run Silent Run Deep. I hope this of help. Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Airfix Naval Destroyers of WWII set Hello all, I just purchased the Airfix release of the 4 WWII destroyers. As is known, these are 1/600 scale, and range in size from 6 inches to 8 inches. While I'm not trying to write a review, I thought I'd pass along a few observations. Overall, the detail and quality depends on which ship you're looking at. For instance, the portholes on the hull of the Cossack and Campbeltown are rather oversize and have lots of flash. On the other hand, on the Hotspur and Narvik, the hull portholes are very finely cast. Obviously, these molds must be in better condition. I find the masts on the Cossack and Campbeltown to be thick and oversized, but on the other two they look pretty good. In fact the Narvik overall seems to be the best, except for the way-too-overscale rails along the deck. There's not too much flash to clean up, except for the 4-piper. There are decals only for the Cossack and Hotspur. These models are small and basic, but should make for a few nice evenings. I paid $10.00 for the set--That's $2.50 a piece---How can you go wrong????? Rod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: HMS Nottingham in Sydney I saw the Nottingham come thru the heads from my office window this morning & it looke dlike it was coming along to Bradley's head (for those that know Sydney), but now it appears to have stopped somewhere, as I cant see it anymore..so see what happens later in the day, hopefully it will end up at Garden Island..it better be, bought in my camera !! Andrew PS: Seems the Nottingham was welcomed by only a few curious viewers in particular 2 whales.. Not sure of it's exact location, but is reported to be tied up at a navy fueling pier on Sydney Harbour, so must be somewhere near HMAS Penguin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: David Gregory Subject: Great Web Site- Soviet Navy WW2 Found a great site on Soviet Ships in WW2 http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/ All in Russian but lots of pictures and drawings. In addition to the obligatory jazz on anchor riders like battleships and cruisers, this site covers useful vessels like trawlers, paddle gunboats, minelayers and river gunboats. Alas, nothing yet on MTBs, armored motor gunboats or small guard boats, but I'll take it! Dave Gregory The P.T Dockyard http://ptdockyard.tripod.com "The Island of Misfit Boats" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Don Macdonald" Subject: My Current Project Hi All Well besides trying to help my buddy with that sub and thanks to all of you I may be able to help him So thank you all of ya. Now for my Current Project I am about to finish a ship that was started about 75 or years ago, I am in the middle of trying to get done a ship that MY wife Uncle started when he was about 30 or younger, This something I have never done and realy had no intrest in. I am doing the Soverign of the seas man of war. OK This ship is all on Sold wood, the hull was carve out of a block of pine or ceader, All of the rails we done along with the decks even has slats caved in on the deck. What I have to do is add all of the rest of the ship, In the beginning I had no idea on what this ship was suppose to look like, It is 30 inches long 5 inches wide on the lower main deck and it has 4 decks, The Cannon doors has to be added along with all of the mask rigging, sails. the gun ports were all ready carve in along with the stearn Cabins, I plan on doing it like he intended it to be and all of the detale was done in Lead all of the side plates only one side was done and I am hoping I will get him to do the rest of lead detale, He is 90 and still going strong. Well after a few days of research from Scale ship yard, then the net, and the buddy I am trying to help on that Jules Vern sub I am slowely get it togeather but I am having to build every thing all by scarch, IT should be done in a few months I hope and Plan on giving it back if he want it if not I will hang onto it and pass it down in the fmaily some day. So I wanted to share this story with all of ya, So your Rustbucket not only dose steel war ships but Now I have to say I am doing a saling ship, OK that is it for now, But anybody have any ideas on whear a web would be with some good pictures of it? one thing I have now learn alot of you know of web sights that I have not a clue about and I am very gratefull for all of the help I get from all of ya. ;-)) Don That Portland Rustbucket and if any one wants to see any of my work Go to http://smmlonline.com go to Don MacDonald on the Mainbrace page and enjoy I am more then happy to share my work with all of ya ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Roy Knight" Subject: Aurora 32 Skid-doo Hello Everyone; This bit is off the subject of ships, but I have a question. I recently found a Aurora made kit from 1963, it is a '32 SKID-DOO kit, the box is approx. 75%, the instructions are 95% or better and only a couple of parts have been assembled. Over all I would say the kit is 85% to 95% condition. Does anybody know the value of this kit, or might know someone who is interested in it? If so contact me off list via E-mail. I am not in the hobby to hord kits, I am a builder not a collecter. Thanks Roy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: NAVYDAZE Subject: Red Lead Anyone know when they started using redlead paint in the Navy as an undercoat and protector for metal (steel)? Michael Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist http://www.navydaze.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume