Subject: SMML VOL 1986 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:26:47 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Continuing Victorian Saga 2: LCT colors 3: Flower Colours ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Tri-Club Meeting -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Wanted: 1/72 Matchbox Fairey Swordfish 2: Plastic ship Modeler / Ships in Scale / others for sale 3: I need your input 4: More Colourcoats News ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "John Rule" Subject: Continuing Victorian Saga Firstly, let me say it's great to have SMML back. I missed you. Allow me to commend your diligence in getting this thing up and running again. You obviously have more patience than I do. I usually just swear at the damn machine. Maybe my swearing helped. I can now chill out with a glass of my McCallan 25 year old Anniversary Single Malt. Eat your hearts out. Back to ships. I thoroughly enjoyed the discussions a number of us had regarding the colours used on the early Japanese cruiser Takasago. The discussion was very fruitful resulting in a fairly good interpretation of her Victorian style colour scheme, based on information from various members throughout the world, together with a sprinkling of logical thought. OK. Now for the next one. On the site below is a photo of HMS Inflexible. This ship which, I believe was painted during her life in various Victorian schemes of black and white, seems in this photo to have an intermediate colour or tone between the black of the lower hull and the white of the upper superstructure. http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/7155/ Input anyone? Sincerely, John (Looking forward to Scalemodelworld in Telford) Geez, first he tells us he's having a fine single malt, then he goes on to say he's off to Telford - ain't no justice in this world ;-þ Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Hubert Letterly Subject: LCT colors Dear WR, Missed you in Virginia Beach this summer! We stopped by the National Archives on the way back home and just happened to see the plans for LCT-5's. The colors used were Ocean Gray on all vertical surfaces, Deck Blue on horizontal surfaces and Hull Red below the waterline. I didn't see any colors for the LCT-6's but I assume they were the same judging from the photos. Hugh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Dean, Tom" Subject: Flower Colours Hi Gang: Having gone at least a month without cutting a finger with an exacto knive, I decided to start the planned winter project early. I have decided to build a Flower Class ( I know!) Corvette as yet unnamed in 1/48 scale. I have finished the hull, plated the deck and started the side plating but have been thinking and planning ahead. I have previously built one with the long fo's'c'le conversion in the same scale, with the improved bridge, radar, WA paint scheme etc. This is the short fo's'c'le version, with the early bridge, minesweep gear, early armament and such. The ships in the RCN in the early configuration were painted in a medium grey overall. I would like some opinions on exactly what is meant by "overall". I read it as all vertical, horizontal surfaces (decks & deck planking included) all exposed weapons surface (where practical), carley floats, kisby rings etc, excluding bollards, fairleads, various winches and deck gear. I don't believe the early ships had any of the various types of non skid deck surfaces. This is a general statement and of course would be influenced by what ship the model will represent. I think the colour would be 507B or MS4 in the early stages of the war. I have all the books but none come right out and say what "overall" actually means. I welcome your input. Besides we haven't talked about the "Flowers" in at least a week! I had promised pictures of the finished Halifax Class Frigate to post on this sight. Unfortunately my "photographer" had some serious medical problems and was hospitalized. He is mending and has promised to do the job as soon as possible. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Tri-Club Meeting Tri-Club 2002, the 8th Annual Meeting of the three Chicago area scale ship model clubs, will be held Saturday, November 16, 2002. Our members invite their fellow ship modelers from the surrounding areas to join us for this annual day of education and camaraderie. The Nautical Research and Model Ship Society of Chicago, the Midwest Model Shipwrights and the North Shore Deadeyes meet as a group once each year for a full day of talks and demonstrations on scale ship modeling. Speakers come from within the clubs while outside speakers from various sources often represent manufacturers, maritime artists, noted visiting modelers, Navy and Coast Guard personnel and museum curators to name a few. Our members bring their current and recently completed projects for display and an afternoon show and tell session with 30 or so models being the average displayed. Rolls, coffee and juices are supplied in the morning with a catered lunch and afternoon refreshments provided. Speakers this year will include Dr. Bill Thiesen, Ph.D., and Curator of the Wisconsin Maritime Museum in Manitowoc, WI who will speak on the Transition from Wood to Steel Shipbuilding. Also scheduled is Alumilite Corp. representative Mike Faupel who will demonstrate Mold Making with RTV Rubber and Casting Techniques using Alumilite casting resins. Midwest Model's Ed Rogolla, Director of Product Development and AJ Browiak, Design Engineer will speak on the Development of a Kit and will tell us of the many things that must be considered when a kit is designed and marketed. Shipwrights Ray Oswalt and Bob Filipowski will show their techniques for producing realistic finishes on their model ships. There will be a short preview presentation of our plans for the 2003 NRG Conference being hosted by our clubs. The day will conclude with a door prize raffle drawing. The meeting will be held in Mt. Prospect, IL at the Community Presbyterian Church at 407 Main Street (NE corner of Main [Rt. 83] and Gregory Street). The meeting will be from 8:00 AM (registration) to 4:30 PM. Cost to non-members is $25. Pre-registration is required. Contact Kurt Van Dahm at (630) 968-3189 or kurtvd19@voyager.net. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "maeisen@erols.com" Subject: Wanted: 1/72 Matchbox Fairey Swordfish Folks: I am looking to buy the 1/72 Matchbox Fairey Swordfish, either kit mb112 or mb120. If anyone out there has either of these, unbuilt, and would be willing to part with it, please contact me at with your asking price. Thanks! Yours truly, Mike Eisenstadt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: JVT7532@aol.com Subject: Plastic ship Modeler / Ships in Scale / others for sale Hello fellow Smmlies, as much as I hate to, I have to clean house in preparation to a move and have 8 copies of Plastic Ship modeler that I will post here before heading to Ebay. They are issues 17 thru 24. Price $40.00 plus shipping at cost to your location. If interested let me know at jvt7532@aol.com. If no one wants the bunch, I will sell by the issue. I also have the last couple of years of Ships in Scale & Scale Ship Modeler that I have Best regards, Jon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "shaya" Subject: I need your input I need your comments. I added sound to a spot on my site. I'll give you the page, when you find it, tell me what you think. www.modelshipbuilding.com Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies www.modelshipbuilding.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: More Colourcoats News First, for all you aircraft carrier builders out there, we're adding to our "one-stop shopping" by enlarging the Colourcoats line to include naval aircraft colours, starting with the USN. We've ordered the following into production: ACUS 01, LIGHT GULL GRAY ACUS 02, DARK GULL GRAY ACUS 03, LIGHT COMPASS GRAY ACUS 04, DARK COMPASS GRAY ACUS 05, WW2 USN LIGHT GRAY ACUS 06, WW2 USN BLUE-GRAY ACUS 07, WW2 USN SEA BLUE ACUS 08, WW2 USN INTERMEDIATE BLUE ACUS 09, WW2 USN/USAAF INTERIOR GREEN ACUS 10, NON-SPECULAR WHITE These paints will be satin (as opposed to the warship paints which will remain matte). The Compass Grays are the current low-visibility USN colours. Interestingly, the Gull Grays have not changed since WW2, so those colours, along with Non-Specular White, will do the WW2 Atlantic ASW schemes, while the Gull Grays will also serve for modern jet aircraft up to the switch to low-visibility. The WW2 Light Gray will allow you to do the prewar overall light gray scheme, and then this colour became the lower colour in combination with the upper Blue-Gray in the early war two-colour scheme. The Sea Blue will do for Semi-Gloss Sea Blue right from the tin, and can be oversprayed with matt varnish to produce Non-Specular Sea Blue, or with gloss varnish to produce Glossy Sea Blue. The combination of Glossy Sea Blue, Semi-Gloss Sea Blue, Intermediate Blue, and Non-Specular White will give you the three-colour scheme that followed the earlier two-colour scheme. Glossy Sea Blue (Sea Blue with a gloss overspray) became the overall late WW2 scheme for most aircraft, and of course lasted well into the 1950s. Up until about 1942 each aircraft plant chose its own colour of zinc chromate primer. Then the USN and USAAF standardized on USN Interior Green, so that colour will do for aircraft interiors and all those folding wing and wheel well surfaces. We'll be following these up with Fleet Air Arm/Coastal Command colours, and IJN aircraft colours. I'm open to suggestions, but remember: naval aircraft colours (for now....). Second, we've taken delivery on a couple more ship colours: M16, Royal Navy Deck Grey, Light; this colour was in use during the 1970s and '80s. RN19, WW2 RN Antifouling Red. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume