Subject: SMML VOL 1992 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:54:01 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: prototyping board 2: Re: Infexible 3: 22 gauge needles 4: LCT schemes 5: Prototyping Board 6: Prototyping Board 7: Re: prototyping board 8: Interesting items on eBay 9: Re: hypodermic needle Battleship gun barrels 10: Re: sails 11: Color Interpretation B+W Photos 12: Re: Fantasy 13: hypodermic needle Battleship gun barrels 14: rigging instructions needed... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: IHP 1:700 scale USS Lexington CC-1 Kit Information and other Updates 2: New USN Colourcoats ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: prototyping board >> It is not quite what you were asking, but I have been using a product called Prototyping board. It is a kind of plastic resin product that comes in a block the size of a tombstone. Description: It is a bit like a hard wood with no grain. It comes in a light brown colour and is excellent to carve and shape. It comes in a number of grades which equate to its hardness. It retains it's rigidity even when plained down to very thin sections. The softest is probably appropriate (also slightly cheaper) as the harder typed are only workable with industrial tools. << Sounds a lot like RenShape - a Ciba-Gigy material. A plastics supplier may be able to supply cutoffs and smaller sections, but the stuff is expensive. Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Infexible Well John, I have seen HMS "Edinburgh" photo and there can be no doubt about this one. It is a four tone paint scheme. Now the interesting question will be what the "intermediate" colour could possibly have been??? From purely visual point of view what could possibly go nicely between black and white without offending Victorian's estethics??? My bet is on medium blue but that's just a pure conjecture. Regards D.P ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Dafuelmann Subject: 22 gauge needles I believe Small Parts Inc in Florida sells 22 gauge hypo needle stock, I used to see it in their cataloge. (This was back in the pre internet days) I believe they now have a web site one can order from. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: LCT schemes Hi A couple of issues ago, Hugh Letterly asked about colour schemes for the LCT2, 3 and 4. I can send information on the Western Approaches scheme used on these vessels if that would be of any help. The majority of photographs I have seen of the LCT 2 show in in a single tone grey. Some LCT3s are the same, but the bulk of the LCT 3 & 4 vessels seem to have been in the two-tone WA blue & white pattern. Get in touch if you this is the sort of thing you need. Dan Taylor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: Prototyping Board For those who asked about prototyping board: The product I bought is described as Model Lab 101 although a newer product called Pro-Lab 50 was due to come out at the time and they thought that may be better for hand working. I couldn't wait. Their address is: Amber Composites Limited 94 Station Road Langley Mill Nottingham NG16 4BP United Kingdom Tel 01773 530899 Fax 01773 768687 Hope that's helpful. I'm afraid I don't know about provision outside the UK but Amber Composites may be able to direct you. Dan Taylor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Martin Short" Subject: Prototyping Board Dan, Leslie, I might be able to help here. many years ago when I worked for Ciba-Geigy, we used to sell a composite board for prototyping which was called Cibatool 450 in UK/EU, and Rentool 450?in the US (via Ren plastics a Ciba subsidary or something to that effect.). It was great material, being isotropic with no texture as such, could be machined wih standard woodworking tools, and was easy to finish. Later on when working for a car component manufacturer, because of the relative cost in NZ, we only used it for critical applications, otherwise jelutong sufficed. As far as I know, the range has expanded to provide soft to hard boards, the latter being sufficiently robust to be used for injection moulding tooling prototypes. Anyway, in the first instance I would contact Ciba Specialty Chemicals, in either the UK or US as appropriate. If either of you get stuck, let me know I still have some friends at Ciba in Oz who owe me a favour or two!, Lastly, there were one or two tooling supply companies that offered a simlar product, but I cannot remember who they were. cheers, Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: prototyping board We use the board in question and out supplier is Denaco UK Ltd, Unit4/5, Station Rd, Station Rd, Hatton, Derby, DE65 5DU. Tel: 01283 520777 It's known by several names including Urial, Prolab 65 and Denaco's own "Modelboard". The last time we bought any it worked out at. 1500x500x25 £59 0r £53 if you buy more than three. 1500x500x50 £107 Or £96 for 3+. I should have mentioned perhaps that Modelboard glues extremely well with CA and can be laminated into hefty chunks using Polyurethane casting resins. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: paulship37 Subject: Interesting items on eBay I saw these items for sale at eBay. US Naval Vessels 1943 ~ WW2 ~ Navy http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1576120157 Japanese Naval Vessels ~ WW2 ~ Navy http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1576117663 DREADNOUGHTS IN CAMERA - 1905 - 1920 - MINT http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1575999368 HMS VICTORY Pitkin Pictorial Guide http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1575928558 BATTLESHIP TEXAS HEAVILY ILLUSTRATED HISTORY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=729537175 HMS Sheffield British Royal Navy Warship Book http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1575675076 WAR AT SEA IN THE IRONCLAD AGE http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1575630090 Where Away USS Marblehead WW II http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1575591543 Storming St. Nazaire BattleshipTirpitz WW II http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1575403378 The Royal Oaks Courts Martial British Navy http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1575368014 Soviet Bloc Merchant Ships http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1575216091 Very Old And Fabulous Ocean Liner Book LOOK! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1574931172 1957 ARK ROYAL Military SHIPS JAMESON History http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1573410150 History of the Royal Australian Navy Book http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1573446390 Destroyer HMCS St. Laurent & Her Successors http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1573470947 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: hypodermic needle Battleship gun barrels My suggestion for hypodermic needle tubing is a company called Small Parts. They have the stuff in all different sizes. Go to their site at: http://www.smallparts.com/ Click on Product catalogs, and then on tubing brochures. Mike Settle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SantMin Subject: Re: sails >> Incidentally, if a modeler elects to make a waterline model, and have 30 (at least) sails pulling, be sure to consider making your sea surface quite smooth, as I don't think the Sailing Master would have all sails set in anything other than calm to very light breezes. Otherwise there could be considerable stress on the rigging. << Even in the calmest seas she would never haver all these sails set as many would "blanket" others making them useless. Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Douglas Simpkin Subject: Color Interpretation B+W Photos As David Sepos pointed out, orthochromatic film was used commonly through the 1930s, so color information gleaned from such B+W images are fraught with uncertainty. Remember, yellow is black, red is dark gray, blue is light gray.... Everything you "know" is wrong. Excellent photographic examples of this are on Steve Johnson's Victorian Navy page http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/7155/ as pointed out to us by John Rule. (Last time I checked the "colours" on the union jack haven't recently changed.) This might also explain the apparent color reversal (taken as fact by some authors) seen on US M3 light tanks marked with the USAAF's "dotted star" emblem during the 1940 war games. Doug ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Mike Bartel Subject: Re: Fantasy >> In regards to D.Przezdziecki about the space ship game etc, I also just remembered a Dr Who episode where I think there was a race between "sailing" ships in space..if I remember correctly the main ship was a style of Galleon & the others were of mix styles. << That episode was called Enlightenment, and starred Peter Davison as the Doctor. I actually liked it, but I am one of the few folks who accept the BBC's ten-pence-per-episode SFX budget for Dr. Who, and just take the series as a whole. In these days of CG effects where a whole film can be produced without any live action whatsoever and all images be computer generated to the peak of realism that no one would know otherwise, Dr. Who is certainly something to laugh at by today's youth who have grown up to expect a film or TV series to be all shine and no substance. But, there was a time when TV and films didn't have either the budget or means to show people getting killed in a million different inventive graphic ways, and they had to have these strange things called 'good writing' and 'plot' and 'character development' to make up for it. Dr. Who didn't ALWAYS work, to be sure, but it had a good basic premise (that took it along for 25 years), some good characters, and imaginative stories. A few ship models filmed without a blue screen still made for a pretty entertaining episode, especially if you watched the episodes that preceeded it (Enlightenment was the third of a series of three that featured the White and Black Guardians). Mike Bartel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: JVT7532 Subject: hypodermic needle Battleship gun barrels >> Let me pre-preface this by saying be VERY careful cutting off hypodermic needles with a Dremel, wear eye protection! Or else you may be visiting the good doctor in his ER (OK, Richard, where? Jefferson, Hahnemann, U of P, Graduate, elsewhere?? Might as well send Phila area shipbuilders to someone sympathetic with our sometimes *unique* injuries! << Gee's Tom, you forgot "Wills Eye Hospital" How about those Eagles!!! Best regards, Jon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Bill TGH" Subject: rigging instructions needed... hi hi my son picked up a nearly complete Revell Santa Maria (kit 5405)... repainted, masts repaired and rigged, this could be a great 1st ship for a 7 year old... however, no rigging instructions, and the tiny picture on the box end is no help.. if anyone can scan the rigging part of the instructions & eMail them to me cheers Bill TGH {VP & CEO} banished to the basement @ BAD Productions Est. F'ton '94 MAD R&D Brewing Trouble since '98 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mike Bartel Subject: IHP 1:700 scale USS Lexington CC-1 Kit Information and other Updates IHP's forthcoming 1:700 scale Lexington CC-1 kit is shaping up as follows: Format: *Resin hull, superstructure, 16in gun turrets *Metal small guns and detail parts *Photoetch cage masts *Turned brass 16in and 8in (casemate) gun barrels *Real anchor chain Projected MSRP for this kit will likely be in the US$150 range, certainly no less. Other project updates: The reissue of the SOUTH DAKOTA BB-49 will be in the Fall of 2003 to coincide with the 10th anniversary of the release of the original kit. The Algerie will follow the Lexington CC-1 in Spring of 2003. The IJN No.13-16 reissue is due in a few weeks. IHP is trying to implement a new marketing strategy. In keeping with this, please make all reservations for the above items through your favorite ship model dealer. DEALERS: Please contact us right away with your pre-orders for all these items to avoid disappointment. All models are limited production. Thanks, Mike Bartel IHP http://ihphobby.tripod.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: New USN Colourcoats Colourcoats: The widest range of historically accurate warship paints is about to get even larger! OK, got those USN amphibs waiting? How about a pre-war carrier? PT boats? Well, we just ordered the following into production: US 15, Mahogany Flight Deck Stain US 16, 20-G Deck Green US 17, 5-HG Haze Green Revised US 18, 5-LG Light Green Revised US 19, 5-OG Ocean Green Revised US 20, 5-NG Navy Green Revised US 21, 5-PG Pale Green Revised US 22, #1 Green US 23, #2 Green US 24, #3 Green US 25, #4 Brown US 26, MTB Green You'll need US15 for your prewar Langley, Lex, Sara, Yorktown, Enterprise, Ranger, Wasp. US16 - 21 are the revised greens that came into use in the second half of 1943 as the amphib operations in the Southwest Pacific got into full swing. These are the colors that you'll see specified on the Measure 3_ camouflage patterns, up until the 1944 period, when the colors changed to include US 22 - 25. PT boat modellers will need US 26, the elusive MTB Green, as well as US16 - 25. Pre-orders being accepted now; the paints should begin to arrive in about 4 weeks. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume