Subject: SMML VOL 1993 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:43:30 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: WW1 Destroyer Camouflage 2: Acid Etching; Hypodermic Tubing 3: Good Deal Alert! 4: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 5: Re: Scratchbuilding ships 6: Re: PE thanks 7: Re: Prototyping Board 8: Victorian warship colours 9: Principe de Asturias 10: Re: Color Interpretation B+W Photos 11: Hypodermic tubing 12: Re: CONSTITUTION's really FULL suit of sails ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Leonard, Michael W" Subject: Re: WW1 Destroyer Camouflage Last week Ed asked - >> Is there any evidence to suggest what were the most popular colors applied to the US Navy's convoy force ships at the time? << The Washington Navy Yard Museum has a small but interesting display on WW1 convoys, and it includes a period oil painting of a troopship and destroyer. The DD is painted in a pattern of black, white, gray, and light blue. The troopship is done in the same colors but with a few patches of beige as well. The museum also has a board to which a number of wooden half-models are glued, as a representation of the types of schemes that were applied. Granted the paint has aged 80+ years, but the colors used on these samples look pretty conservative: black, white, gray, and light and dark blue predominate. Lastly, the museum's 1/48-scale builder's model of USS MILWAUKEE in WW1 camo is painted in a (mostly) splinter pattern of black, white, pale blue, and a deeper medium blue. MWL Reston, VA USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Michael McMurtrey Subject: Acid Etching; Hypodermic Tubing David Merriman's treatise on acid etching can be found at: http://www.culttvman.com/acid-etching.html It also includes some other interesting material which you have to wade through before you get to the part on acid-etching. David tends to rant a bit about kit assemblers and collectors as opposed to model guilders, but he is a very skilled model maker. A good source for hypodermic tubing (no needles) is http://www.smallparts.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Bill Michaels" Subject: Good Deal Alert! FYI.... Model Expo's next sale catalog is posted on their website. (The current one expires 10/31.) Of interest is the Revell Flower Class Corvette for $70.(USA) Bill Check out my US Coast Guard Model subjects list at: http://home.earthlink.net/~billkaja/kitlist.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 Data has recently come to light in the form of a photo which shows that the Bismarck in early 1944 had adopted a form of splotch patterning in order to conceal her against a land background. Not sure of the colors, but perhaps somebody on the list can help? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Kerry L. Jang" Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding ships Hi Everyone, The discussion of protoboard is interesting as a material for scratchbuilding. Its pretty expensive, and with care, wood will do for our purposes. In this regard, if anyone is interested, I've posted a brief update to my work on a miniature model of L'Ambitieux. A French 80 gun ship of 1680. The update described the building of the stem - 15 seperate parts scarfed together to form the stempost and stem of the ship in 1:192. The update is at the bottom of this page: http://www.nutsnbits.com/nutsnbits_00002a.htm Best, Kerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: rolie muise Subject: Re: PE thanks Thanks to all who replied to my queary about PE. I received lots of info and now will sort through it. This list is awesome. rolie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "graham and melanie" Subject: Re: Prototyping Board >> Denaco UK Ltd, Unit4/5, Station Rd, Station Rd, Hatton, Derby, DE65 5DU. Tel: 01283 520777 << Just down the road from me, my brother lives at number 84 Station road ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Rule" Subject: Victorian warship colours As a follow up on the HMS Edinburgh and HMS Inflexible colour conundrum, my humble opinion leans toward the intermediate tone on the superstructure being grey, albeit a blue-grey. If anyone can tell the meaning of the flags flying from Edinburgh, maybe they will give us a clue. Who knows they may be saying, "Paint lower hull black, intermediate level blue-grey with a white stripe." Has anyone perhaps seen a painting or colour rendering illustrating this scheme. With it having been applied identically to two different ships suggests there may have been an order or instruction from the Admiralty or a local Commander. Sincerely John Rule ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Miguel Costa" Subject: Principe de Asturias Hello: Follow the link: http://www.pcmodeler.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=My_eGallery&file=index&do=showgall&gid=901 and you'll find a beautiful reproduction of the Spanish Aircraft Carrier Principe de Asturias. I was very surprised, .. A nice jobˇˇ Miguel Costa Simón Palma de Mallorca Spain ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Color Interpretation B+W Photos >> As David Sepos pointed out, orthochromatic film was used commonly through the 1930s, << No, orthochromatic film was commonly used through the 1950s! In fact, when I was in the Navy (1966-70) and did the quals for Photographer's Mate, the manual still included a LOT of material on the use of ortho films. Panchromatic film did not come into use until about 1935, and then it took a long time to supplant ortho film. Cheers, John Snyder Ship's Photographer, USS BAINBRIDGE (DLGN-25), 1966-70 The Token Yank and WEM Dogsbody ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: DENMARAVON2 Subject: Hypodermic tubing There has been a lot about hopodermic needles lately. Let me say that "dumpster diving" or getting used needles from a hospital (even if you are a doctor - or only play one on TV) is not the best idea in the world. A couple of people mentioned Small Parts Inc and I have dealt with them for two years now. They have a wealth of parts and materials of use to modelers at very reasonable prices (including perhaps a dozen different diameters of hypodermic tubing), They have an on-line catalog but it is cumbersome unless you know exactly what you are looking for - call them at the number on their web site and they will mail you a FREE copy of their printed catalog in about a week. Well worth looking at! Denis Campbell Avon MA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: CONSTITUTION's really FULL suit of sails To Bob Santos Yeah, Bob, I agree with you. I sort of thought so too. But now I wonder why they had all those sails in the first place. Any suggestions? Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume