Subject: SMML VOL 1994 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:52:20 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Good deal alert part 2 2: Re: Color Interpretation B+W Photos 3: Re: Hypodermic tubing 4: Bismarck camo 1944 5: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 6: Bismarck 7: Re: Bismarck & Tirpitz colours 8: Bismarck 1944 camouflage 9: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 10: Bismarck Camouflage 1944 11: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 12: Bismark Camouflage 13: Help, please!! 14: Re: sails 15: S-100 reference 16: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Buffalo SMMLcon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR Subject: Re: Good deal alert part 2 I noticed a few days ago that BWN had their Perry class frigate on sale for $75.00! About $40.00 off the regular price. A great deal on a great model! Rusty White IPMS/USA #20181 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: Color Interpretation B+W Photos >> No, orthochromatic film was commonly used through the 1950s! In fact, when I was in the Navy (1966-70) and did the quals for Photographer's Mate, the manual still included a LOT of material on the use of ortho films. << Actually John, My training manuals for 231x5 USAF Photogrpahic Technician 1982 still had a whole section devoted to Orthochromatic films and they were still very much in use when I got out in 1985. In fact, Orthochromatic films are still in use today for certain photographic usages. KODALITH, for example, is a Orthochromatic film. John Sheridan USAF Combat Photgrapher 1981-1985 www.steelnavy.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Richard Rathgeber Subject: Re: Hypodermic tubing Land sakes folks I'm glad I didn't suggest anything more radical. I'm thankful for the follow up commentary and the other sites for similar tubing. Rick ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Jeff Herne, NJAHOF" Subject: Bismarck camo 1944 >> Data has recently come to light in the form of a photo which shows that the Bismarck in early 1944 had adopted a form of splotch patterning in order to conceal her against a land background. Not sure of the colors, but perhaps somebody on the list can help? << That would more than likely be rust spots and maybe some form of plant growth...since Bismarck had been underwater since 1941. You must mean Tirpitz? In Jest, JH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: RDChesneau Subject: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 >> Data has recently come to light in the form of a photo which shows that the Bismarck in early 1944 had adopted a form of splotch patterning in order to conceal her against a land background. Not sure of the colors, but perhaps somebody on the list can help? << Maybe by 1944 these colours were Seaweed Green and Barnacle Beige? Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Chris and Kayo Amano-Langtree" Subject: Bismarck >> Data has recently come to light in the form of a photo which shows that the Bismarck in early 1944 had adopted a form of splotch patterning in order to conceal her against a land background. Not sure of the colors, but perhaps somebody on the list can help? << Really??? Chris Amano-Langtree ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Imre Subject: Re: Bismarck & Tirpitz colours Thanks to all who answered. I went to the Bismarck site and found the infomation there very helpful. In respect to the WEM Colourcoats mentioned, which ones should I get for the Bismarck and Tirpitz? Imre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Phil M. Gollin" Subject: Bismarck 1944 camouflage I AGREE. The camouflage consisted mostly of mud, silt and rotting dead fish falling from above. See photos from the various expeditions to the wreck. Sorry to tease, but when the experts make a typo it's so inviting. Keep up the good work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Edd Pflum Subject: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 The land background being the seabed? I bet there are some REALLY GREAT stories of how that paint job was done! Edd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "F. Pletscher" Subject: Bismarck Camouflage 1944 If Bismarck was painted to conceal her against the land background in early 1944, she should have been painted "sand" over all. Falk Pletscher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 For modelling purposes, I'd recommend using Floquil's railroad weathering colours, "Mud" and "Sand". Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models (Tongue firmly in cheek!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "John Rule" Subject: Bismark Camouflage This must have been an attempt to provide some protection from marine predators such as barnacles and killer winkles. John Rule ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Rui Francisco Matos" Subject: Help, please!! Hello SMML'ies I've received yesterday a model that I was searching for a long time: A 1/35 SLC 200 Maiale, from the now extint brand MST. But there was a important piece missing: - the protection guard for the number one (driver) of the manned torpedo. So if anyone has this model, or the re-release by the New Model System (it's the same), and can help me, I would be very thankfull!!! Contact me off list for details, please!! Regards from Portugal: Rui Matos (aka Skipper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SantMin@ Subject: Re: sails >> Yeah, Bob, I agree with you. I sort of thought so too. But now I wonder why they had all those sails in the first place. << Sure, different wind conditions, different sailing direction in relation to the wind, different speed or control required, all require a different suit of sails. But even a dead calm would not require them all for the blanketing reason. There is an OUTSTANDING book out the called "Seamanship in the Age of Sail". If you are interested it explains all the different reasons all those sails are needed at one time or another. I once built a miniature (hull length about 3 inches) of a ship in a dead calm with a good bit of it's sails set and it's boats out towing. Interesting project. Cheers, Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Doug Marrel" Subject: S-100 reference If you have Lothar Buckheim's U-Boat War, in the Eye for an Eye section (what moron decided to publish these books with no page numbers?!?!?!?) there is a 3"by3" picture of a damaged S-100 class boat in the upper right hand corner of one of the later pages in that section. It's a nice shot of the armored bridge from the bow looking aft, and the damage exposes the front part of the starboard torpedo. No date or identifier of the boat though darn it. You can get references in the weirdest places sometimes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 Raven, it's Halloween not April Fools Day! As I understand it, the Bismarck scheme in 1944 included several holes, missing parts and a light encrustation of small bottom dwelling creatures. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "James Kloek" Subject: Buffalo SMMLcon So far Darren and I have heard from the following people who have expressed interest. John Rule, Gary Kingzett, Jeff Hughes, Jeff Fenton, David Sepos, Russ Smith, Bradford Chaucer, Art Herrick, and David Gregory. That is a good start! In terms of details, the Buffalo IPMS Club has reserved a block of rooms at a Marriott for Noreastcon, which is where the contest will be. Attendees will simply have to book a room at the hotel. We can of course bring models and enter the contest. Do we want to have a theme? We can help judge, and if we want, we can sponsor our own trophy. Dick Shulenberg from Buffalo also tells me that in addition to the contest room, they have booked a couple of smaller rooms, and one can be available to us if we want to organize talks or presentations. Does anyone want to volunteer? There will also be the contest banquet we can participate in. The ship museum also presents opportunities. We could go as a group for a tour. They will also organize social events on board the ships, so we could do some sort of reception and/or dinner. We have not looked into the cost of that yet though. So opportunities abound, who else is interested? Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume