Subject: SMML VOL 1995 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:11:19 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Full suit of sails 2: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 3: Bismarck woops I mean Tirpitz Camouflage 4: Re: Constitution sail plan 5: Re: Bismarck & Tirpitz colours 6: Type 23 models on market? 7: Re: WW1 Camo 8: Calypso update 9: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 10: magazine review 11: Re: Bismarck camoflage 12: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 13: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 14: Testors paint ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: Full suit of sails To Bob Santos Thanks for the explanation and the reference. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 >> Data has recently come to light in the form of a photo which shows that the Bismarck in early 1944 had adopted a form of splotch patterning in order to conceal her against a land background. Not sure of the colors, but perhaps somebody on the list can help? << Excuse me? Bismarck??? 1944????? Presumably there is an error here. Perhaps you could clarify either the identity of the ship or the date? If it was the Bismarck in 1944, then the splotchy camouflage would probably be seaweed! :-) Regards, David Griffith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Terry Wiltshire Subject: Bismarck woops I mean Tirpitz Camouflage I resisted the urge to make a witty comment about this. I was sure my fellow smmlies would make them for me and how right I was! Somewhere in the deep recesses of my mind (not a place I advise anyone else going) I remember seeing a similar picture I think of the Tirpitz. The splotching was caused by the light filtering through the camouflage netting she was covered with. Are you sure it's paint or could this possibly be the cause of the splotching. Terry Budapest ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Constitution sail plan Franklyn wrote, >> Yeah, Bob, I agree with you. I sort of thought so too. But now I wonder why they had all those sails in the first place. << The answer to this question is found in the fact that different types of sails perform best under different conditions. Square sails give the best performance when running before the wind, but purely square rigged vessels sail poorly against the wind as they cannot face very closely into it. Beating to windward is therefore a tedious process involving lots and lots of tacking. On the other hand, fore and aft rigged vessels can head up close to the wind and have a much better performance going to windward. They are not so good running before the wind. I believe that jibs and the spanker also have a role in helping the ship to keep a steady course. A ship such as the Constitutiuon would carry different types of sails to use under different conditions, not just of wind strength, but also of direction of sailing vis a vis the wind. A few years ago I went for a cruise on the sail training ship for the disabled "Lord Nelson" (that was something wonderful to do; contact me off list if you want to know more) and we spent most of the week sailing under jib, spanker and staysails, with not a square sail set at all. An interesting sideline on this subject comes from the history of the Baltimore clippers. Most of these were schooner rigged, with predominantly fore and aft sails. However Chappelle states (IIRC) that those vessels that latterly were involved in the trans-Atlantic slave trade favoured a brig rig, with square sails on both masts. This, combined with the particular hull form, gave them an advantage when being chased downwind by Royal Navy ships involved in the suppression of the trade. The sail plan also had implications for crew size. It requires more men to work a ship with square sails, not a problem for a navy, where lots of men were needed to work the guns. However, in the latter days of the sailing merchant fleets, in competition with steamers, crew size reduction was important, and for this reason there was a tendency to switch from fully square rigged ships to barques or barquentines, with fore and aft sails on the aftermost one or two masts. I don't know if you were actually asking a question, Franklyn, but there's an answer to it for nothing, anyway! Regards, David Griffith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Bismarck & Tirpitz colours >> Thanks to all who answered. I went to the Bismarck site and found the infomation there very helpful. In respect to the WEM Colourcoats mentioned, which ones should I get for the Bismarck and Tirpitz? << For BISMARCK, assuming you're modelling her after she sortied, KM01 Hellgrau 50, KM02 Dunkelgrau 51, KM05 Schiffsbodenfarbe III Grau 1 (boot-topping), KM04 Schiffsbodenfarbe III Rot 5 (underwater hull, if you're doing her full-hull). You'll also need white for the false bow wave (you can use our C03), and a matt aluminum for the funnel cap. For TIRPITZ, what time period? Her camouflage changed a good deal. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Graeme Martin Subject: Type 23 models on market? Does anybody know of an accurate 1:700 scale Type 23 RN frigate out there at a reasonable price. (Waterline will do!). I am building a Fleetscale Type 23 and while the numerous photographs that I have are great reference. It's always good to have a small 3D model there for extra understanding. Since this ship has so many anti radar deflection angles it would be a great help. In anticipation.........many thanks. Graeme Martin Hi Graeme, The only 1/700 Type 23 that I'm aware of, is the Skytrex white meteal version. Check out the review on the SMML site. Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "wblad" Subject: Re: WW1 Camo A 1917 issue of National Geographic has a photo of US sailors painting their ship in a dazzle pattern. Although the photo is black & white, the caption states that US ships are now being camouflaged with blue and green paint. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Truscott, Randal K" Subject: Calypso update Cousteau's signature ship could soon cast off for US FRANCE: French oceanographer Jacques Cousteau's trusty ship Calypso, languishing in this western port city for the past four years, could soon get a new lease on life in the United States. Since June 1998, the US-built minesweeper has been the centerpiece of La Rochelle's Maritime Museum, allowing visitors to discover the ship used by Cousteau for his ocean adventures for more than four decades. But the Calypso has fallen into disrepair after years of neglect sparked by a long-standing dispute between the Cousteau Society and the ship's owners over how and where it should be refurbished. Francine Cousteau, the navigator's second wife, said the solution may be found in New Rochelle, La Rochelle's sister city in the northern suburbs of New York. "We've found the private donors needed to restore the ship in the United States, and the mayor of New Rochelle has agreed to welcome the Calypso in his port," she explained. The explorer's widow, who is president of both the Cousteau Society in the United States and Equipe Cousteau in France, put the total cost of renovating the Calypso at three to four million euros (dollars). In 1950, Cousteau acquired the 139-foot (42-meter) ship, used by the British in the Mediterranean during World War II and later retired, with financial help from wealthy British MP Loel Guinness. Cousteau transformed the ship into an exploration vessel, mapping out cabins for 27 crew members, installing a laboratory and new navigation instruments and an underwater observation chamber with eight portholes. The Guinness family still retains ownership of the boat, but the Cousteau Society holds the rights to exploit its image -- and La Rochelle Mayor Maxime Bono said the two sides had refused to discuss the ship's future until now. "If the city of New Rochelle and the city of La Rochelle can get together to save the Calypso, it will be a very good thing," Bono said. "What has never been possible here could be possible in the United States." Cousteau's wife said she was optimistic that talks between the society and owner Loel Guinness -- grandson and namesake of the MP who first helped the French explorer, and heir to the family's vast banking and brewing fortune -- would end in agreement to send the ship across the Atlantic. http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/jul2002-daily/24-07-2002/world/w4.htm NEW ROCHELLE, N.Y. (AP) -- Jacques Cousteau's old ship, the Calypso, is being offered to New Rochelle, where it could serve as the focus of waterfront development, the mayor said. Mayor Timothy Idoni and Cousteau's widow, Francine Cousteau, announced plans to dock the 60-year-old vessel -- now based in New Rochelle's sister city, La Rochelle, France -- at the city marina. Idoni cautioned that the plan, which also calls for an exploration museum with Cousteau memorabilia, would cost millions of dollars and that the city could provide little of it. He said corporate donations and grants would be sought. "It's an ambitious project but I think it's something that fits right in with the city's views of what our waterfront should be used for," the mayor said Tuesday. New Rochelle, a suburb north of New York City, is on Long Island Sound. Francine Cousteau said the plan was "exactly the kind of mission that Capt. Cousteau would want for his boat." The Calypso, a familiar sight on Cousteau's television shows in the 1960s and 1970s, was accidentally sunk in Singapore in 1996. http://www.saljournal.com/stories/071102/ent_people.html On the Net: Cousteau Society Web site: http://www.cousteau.org City of New Rochelle Web site: http://www.newrochelleny.com http://www.news-journalonline.com/2002/Jul/13/NOTE3.htm Plan to Save Cousteau's CALYPSO July 26: A plan to berth the CALYPSO at New Rochelle, Long Island has been announced by the town's mayor and Francine, the wife of the late maritime explorer Jacques Cousteau. The CALYPSO, a 139ft former minesweeper, was given to Captain Cousteau by the Guinness family of Irish brewing fame. The ship became renowned through Cousteau's popular television shows broadcast in the 1960s and 1970s, but after sinking off Singapore in 1996 and then languishing for five years in La Rochelle, France, the CALYPSO is no longer seaworthy and now will require a barge to transport her to the United States. Four years since the conservationist pioneer's death, Jacques Cousteau's widow, Francine, has raised about the E4 million euros to move the vessel to La Rochelle's sister city, New Rochelle, in the US. The plan will see the ship restored and opened as a museum with memorabilia from Captain Cousteau's collection. Exhibits will include a hot air balloon and a mini-submarine with CALYPSO docked at the city's marina. Mrs Cousteau is currently in negotiations with the Guinness family. http://www.maritimematters.com/shipnews.html Here's something cool about the SS United States too - once the fastest ship on the Atlantic... Update On the SS United States America's former liner ”the ss United States” a winner of the Blue Riband, still languishes at a pier in Philadelphia two miles from the city's historic center. While interest in the United States continues from prospective buyers, there has been no solid movement toward a sale. With regard to the rumors of the ships dismal future, the answer is "not true." For those who want to help Save the gracious Lady, you can log onto www.sss-united-states.com and take a virtual tour. Once you view the glory that once was, you can write to your US representatives and media reps about the ship. For a fee, says Mike Alexander, the publisher of the ww-united-states.com website, "the letters will be written for you and we will even supply the postage." The letters will be sent in a Communication package to persons interested in saving the United States for their signature and posting. "The goal," says Alexander, "is to have letters from Big U Fans in all 50 states. Numerically, I'm looking for 10,000 letters to be run from our office and sent to fans," he added. So log on to the website www.ss-united-states.com, take a virtual tour of the glory that once was "and can be again" and let your voices be heard. This is one positive way to breathe life into the United States. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SteveWiper Subject: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 >> Raven, it's Halloween not April Fools Day! As I understand it, the Bismarck scheme in 1944 included several holes, missing parts and a light encrustation of small bottom dwelling creatures. << I think that Royal Navy Rum is kicking in right about now. If you were meaning Tirpitz, the colors were grays, browns, tans, & reds, all colors of the KM coastal types in the S &S paint chips sets. Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: magazine review The Navy League of Australia Oct - Dec this edition covers the following stories: -The Battle Of Salamis 480 Bc - Regional ASM.covers all the ASM's in the region around Australia (covers the SS-N-2, SY-1/Hy-1/Hy-2, Yj-1(c801)/YJ-2(c802), SS-N-22, SS-N-25, MM38/am39/mm40 Exocet, Otomat Mk2, Gabriel, Hsiun Feng I/II, Sea Eagle, SS-N-27, Harpoon, Harpoon Block II, Maverick, Penguin Polyphem & the Triton - the continuing story of Australia's Maritime Doctrine, covering logistics hydrography weather etc News: - Newcastle ADI won contract for 6 new amphibious water craft for the army - RAN patrol boat tender short listed - 6th Indian sub to have Club-s missile system - Largest ever graduation class from CRESWELL - ERGM flight test a success (extended range guided munition) - Lockeheed/northrop Grumman team selected for US Coast Guard deepwater - DCN wins contract for Malaysian sub contract Scorpene class - Dutch Submarine Zeeleeuw has been used in waters off colombia & Venezuela to conduct drug surveillance missions & to spar against US subs the Hartford & Jacksonville - Greece orders 4th Type 214 - ex HMS Fearless to possibly head to Brazil - India & France condust naval exercises - Argentina seeks aircraft carrier - AEGIS basleine 7.1 testing complete , the latest version of the AEGIS system - 1st sth African MEKO corvette will be named AMATOLA - USN to home port SSN's @ Guam.first off will be City Of Corpus Christi & the the San Francisco & the 3rd will arrive sometime in feb 2004 - Taiwan launches stealth patrol boat - Typhoon SSBN complete refit , sub number TK-208, now calle dthe DMITRI DONSKOI - Historic gun on Christmas Is restored by members of RAN & ARMY - Australian Companies win contracts for German warship design stories: Birth of the RAN 101st Anniversary celebration ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Dizzydismal Subject: Re: Bismarck camoflage It worked very well. No one saw it after 1941. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 It Worked. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: annobon4 Subject: Re: Bismarck camouflage 1944 Hi The Bismarck in 1944. hmmmn... I think you mean the Tirpitz a sistership which was in Norway and did have an interesting Camouflage job. As to the Bismarck let's see no gun turrets sitting on the sea floor after being sunk in 1941. Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Sab1156 Subject: Testors paint does anyone knows,which store (mailorder) in the USA sells the new marine-colours from Testors? Adresses? Thanks in advance Detlef Hartwig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume