Subject: SMML VOL 2005 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 01:14:44 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Chilean Navy 2: WWII MTB 213 and 68 Camoflage Colors? 3: Re: Model Kit (CGN-38) 4: the ex Spirit Of Tasmania 5: Re: EU and Swastika 6: Re: Why teak decks? 7: Etched brass as painting mask? 8: Re: EU ands Swastika 9: New brand in ship models 10: German Flowers 11: Re: Deck Color/Union Ironclad Colors 12: Re: question of scale 13: Yamato kit 1/250 14: Royal Navy Nuclear sub runs aground on Skye 15: why teak decks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: M Brown Subject: Re: Chilean Navy Still like to see if any Almirante plans exist other than those in the hands of Wilf of the dubious parentage (if you get my drift!) Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "LISA GARN" Subject: WWII MTB 213 and 68 Camoflage Colors? John Lambert said your members might be able to assist me with a project. I am building models of 55 ft Thornycroft MTBs and am looking for correct comofalge color schemes for these boats as used by the Royal Navy's 10th Flotilla in the Med circa 1941. I have black and white photos of MTB 213 starboard side and MTB 68 port side, but no color reference. Do your members have any information? Thank you for your attention. Sincerly, Phil Garn Coroando, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: David Wells Subject: Re: Model Kit (CGN-38) "Hardin, Larry C" wrote: >> I'm trying to find a plastic kit of the USS VIRGINIA (CGN-38). Can you help me out please. << To the best of my knowledge, there's nothing in injection molded polystyrene. I think that JAG Collective has a resin Virginia class CGN. When looking for information like this, Rajen's List is a good starting point. It doesn't have everything, but we try! http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/shiprevs.html "There seems to be something wrong|David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 |http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: the ex Spirit Of Tasmania Just noticed that they are moving the old Vic to Tasmanian ferry the Spirit Of Tasmania.. It was at what I think is called the Cruiser warf @ Garden Island, await someone to buy her.. now 2 tugs are escorting her deeper into the harbour. Once she passes the Opera House, I cant see where she goes..wonder if they found a buyer for her. Well just thought anyone who has been on her would interested to hear what the latest is with the ship Andrew oz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "David N. Lombard" Subject: Re: EU and Swastika >> I DON'T RECALL WHERE IT CAME FROM AND THIS IS AS CLOSE AS I CAN GET: WHEN WE IGNORE HISTORY, WE ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT. << "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana, "The Life of Reason", 1906 David, please, please, please, stop using all capital letters. It's the email equivalent of shouting, and truly painful to read... David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA N 33 deg, 48', W 118 deg, 5' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: NAVYDAZE Subject: Re: Why teak decks? I do not know how true this is but I heard that one of the reasons for wooden decks/teak as it reduced the amount of metal shrapnel from the metal deck underneath - of course my feeling is shrapnel is shrapnel, whether it is wood or metal it is going to hurt! Michael Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist http://www.navydaze.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Michael Kear" Subject: Etched brass as painting mask? When I read about photo etching over the last few weeks, I read on a website somewhere (I wish I could remember where now) that you can use a piece of PE as a mask for airbrushing. Has anyone actually done this? This is an intriguing idea for me, because I have a problem getting pennant numbers on the side of my HMS Ambuscade. If it's successful, a couple of brass etched masks would be just the cat's whiskers. I could use my computer to create a pair of masks to register and give me perfectly aligned white outlines around the black numbers. But does the mask give you fuzzy edges because it doesn't settle down tight on to the surface, and therefore paint sneaks underneath the mask? Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia www.modelwarship.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: EU ands Swastika There are several variations on the plaint of ignored history that "Duckman" refers to: "We have need of history in its entirety, not to fall back into it, but to see if we can escape from it." - Jose Ortega y Gasset, 1930 "We can chart our future clearly and wisely only when we know the path which has led to the present." - Adlai Stevenson, 1952 ""That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach." - Aldous Huxley, 1959 "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana, 1905-06 And thanks, Ed Grune, for the lead (or is that lead?) on paint colors. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Ray Mehlberger" Subject: New brand in ship models Anyone that knows me knows that my interest in ships runs mainly to submarines, U-boats, and torpedo boats. My main interest in modeling is 1/35th WWII armor. (Do I hear booing and hissing now?) :-) So when the local shop got a bunch of ship models in by a company out of China, called MiniHobby Models, I noticed that they had a type IXB and a Type IXC German U-boat in thier line in 1/200th scale. Other ships in the line are in various scales, including some calling the scale in metric...rather than a fraction?? To get back to my story....I had already in my stash at home a 1/200 type IXB by Nichimo and wondered about these new kits. Well, today I bought the type IXC. It was dirt cheap at around $8.00!! Upon opening it and looking at the parts it was deja-vu! I knew immediately that this is a re-pop of the Nichomo molds. However, there are no decals in the kit...like are in my Nichimo IXB kit...and I also noticed that there are not enough ack ack guns to go on the 2 wintergartens (is that the right word?) behind the conning tower. Also the bow of the deck, where some raised skid is was miss-molded in this new kit. The box says it is supposed to represent the U-511. My question is...how accurate are the Nichimo U-boats???? Being predominantly a armor modeler, I don't have a clue! Also, I know that some U-boats had personal designs on the conning towers. Did U-511 sport some special marking? Just thought I'd tell you guys that this new company MiniHobby Models seems to be nothing more than re-boxings of other brands...so take care. The prices are CHEAP however. Ray Mehlberger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: German Flowers Hi all, Thanks to the tireless efforts of Stephan Bock, and with the courtesy of Dr. Dieter Jung.. we have photos of the German Flowers. There are two shots of PA2 and one of PA4 fitting out posted on the corvette website. Sadly my idea on camouflage for them isn't borne out, but who's to say they weren't later painted that way. Regards, Bob Pearson Flower Class Corvettes http://www.cbrnp.com/RNP/Flower/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: wem Subject: Re: Deck Color/Union Ironclad Colors >> Take a piece of Teak, Sand it, and that will give you the closest color you will get. << Which is precisely what we did to produce the "Teak" in our Colourcoats range, using a bit of teak deck from USS SALEM. >> My opinion as to Lead color, probably something in the range of "Pearl Gray" on Plate 4. << Ed is right: it's a good monograph, worth reading and worth mentally omitting the reference to merchant ships. Pearl Gray may be a good choice, but given the very light tones in those photos, may I offer this? Paints of this period were lead-based, using a mixture of lead oxide (white lead) and linseed oil. Lead color may simply have been white lead without any other pigment. 19th-century house painters' handbooks (I have several) use similar terminology to describe untinted white lead paint. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "George Peat" Subject: Re: question of scale Hi guys, My answer to scalwing is I have here a programme called scale calculator which may be able to be sent by this means if it is wanted. All that you do is to enter the full size dimensions as required. click on scale required and the answer appears in either metric or Imperial as required. If any one is interested then contact me direct and we can try and send it as an attachment George Peat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Denis" Subject: Yamato kit 1/250 Thanks to everyone who responded to my enquiry. Appreciate the help. Regards denis james ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Robert Mosher" Subject: Royal Navy Nuclear sub runs aground on Skye Nuclear sub runs aground on Skye Jeanette Oldham and Liam McDougall A NUCLEAR submarine has run aground while taking part in a military exercise off Skye. The Ministry of Defence was last night trying to find out how the vessel, one of the navy's 12 nuclear-powered attack subs, managed to hit a rock while on a military exercise. The MoD would not say last night if the captain of the submarine would face a court martial. HMS Trafalgar usually carries Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles and it is believed it will be used in any invasion of Iraq. The MoD said two crew members on board the submarine sustained injuries at 7:58am yesterday, when it hit a rock, Fladda-Chauina, 500 metres off the north-west coast of Skye. At the time, the vessel was travelling at 14.5 knots (18 mph). An MoD spokeswoman said: "There is no damage to the pressure hull and a core integrity assessment of the nuclear reactor has been conducted. "There is no risk to the public or crew." The submarine was taking part in a training exercise and surfaced immediately after the incident. One of the crewmen suffered a broken nose and the other strained his back. HMS Trafalgar, which was commissioned in 1983, was due to arrive at Faslane naval base on the Clyde today , where the damage will be assessed fully. The 4,750-ton submarine was last night travelling under her own power, but was being escorted by a Royal Navy warship. The military exercise involved between 20 and 30 vessels, including submarines and frigates, as well as aircraft. Such exercises take place beside the busy shipping lanes of the west coast of Scotland between Cape Wrath and Skye about two or three times a year. Charles Kennedy, the local MP and the Liberal Democrat leader, said in a statement: "The first reaction to this news must be one of relief that no hull breach or damage to the nuclear reactor has occurred and no lives have been lost. "But when a nuclear submarine is involved in an incident of this nature, with the potential for disastrous consequences, it is essential that a full investigation is undertaken, the conclusions of which must be made public." Bernard Jenkin, the shadow defence secretary, said: "Accidents happen but we have precious few of these submarines - where is the spare capacity to stand in when such vessels are put out of action? "The government is unprepared for the unexpected, and the armed forces are already overstretched as it is." Jane Tallants, the vice-chairwoman of the Scottish Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND), said: "It is very worrying that these submarines, which are supposedly precision machines, couldn't miss something the size of Skye." Carol Naughton, the chairwoman of CND, said: "We are calling for an independent assessment of this accident. "We are sceptical of immediate reassurances from the Royal Navy following the case of HMS Tireless, which went to port in Gibraltar two years ago and subsequently was discovered to have had a reactor fault." The discovery of a "design fault" led to the entire hunter-killer fleet being called back into port, claimed a spokesman for CND. "Our question is this: has this incident been caused by another design fault? If so, will all hunter-killers be called back into port?" A spokeswoman for the Scottish Executive would only say last night: "Defence matters are reserved. "A full investigation is being carried out by the Ministry of Defence. Scottish ministers will be kept fully informed." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: URUDOFSKY Subject: why teak decks I was told that teak decks were used to insulate against the sun in the Pacific Ocean. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume