Subject: SMML VOL 2027 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:03:20 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Greenwich 2: Re: Scroll saws 3: Re: Doolittle Raid colors 4: Re: Lifeboat colours 5: Battlefield 6: Re: Sink the Bismark/Pursuit of the Graf Spee 7: Re: "Spar" 8: Re: Doolittle Raid colours 9: Pathe Films 10: Re: Midway TV presentation 11: Comments Please - Revellogram Enterprise 12: Trumpeter Models 2003-2004 13: Andreas Bergauer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Greenwich To: Ted Treadwell I saw the TITANIC artifacts in the Museum at Greenwich, England, about 5 or so years ago. It seemed to be a permanent exhibit. I know about the traveling exhibit, but having seen the one in England, I didn't attend the traveling exhibit when it was in Boston. The History Channel did it again. Wednesday evening they had a pretty good show about bringing up what they can of the MONITOR. By way of giving the events leading up to the conflict of the C.S.S. Virginia and the U.S.S MONITOR, they showed a period drawing of the carnage aboard one of the Federal Navy wooden sailing vessels devastated by VIRGINIA. In the midst is a Union officer using a speaking trumpet to make his orders heard above the din. What do the comedians of the History Channel production people give us? A bugle call, that's what!!!! Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Richard Rathgeber Subject: Re: Scroll saws The other option is used and sometimes you can luck out. I picked up a very nice Hegner for $250.00 a Multimax that is a real gem. Just a thought. The Hegner and the Excaliber are both great saws and a good used one can be just the ticket. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Edd Pflum Subject: Re: Doolittle Raid colors MGFoster wrote: >> It appears that the aircraft's nacelle is a lighter color than the rest of the plane. In the background there appear to be 2 or 3 other aircraft with light colored nacelles. << I assume you mean the cowlings, not the entire nacelle. I'm not aware of any color coding, though I'm not an expert. It may just be a trick of the light. The B-25s were Olive Drab over Neutral Gray. This is a rather dark gray ("Neutral" indicating halfway between white and black. Testors Light Gray may be too light. Don't forget the bombers had their belly turrets removed and faired over, and lengths of broomstick stuck in the tail cone to simulate machine guns and scare off fighters. Of course...ah...at 1/700 scale...um...you probably won't...gee...be modeling these. Edd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "M Brown" Subject: Re: Lifeboat colours Per the RNLI, the red for the red line under the fenders, blue for topsides and orange for the superstructure have always been used from the Rother, Oakley Class etc onward including the Waveney class. The RNLI's paint manufacturer was/is Desoto Titanine now known as PRC-Desoto. The yellow is a new colour (to the RNLI) used only on the newer lifeboats. Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Donald Bridge Subject: Battlefield Hi Guys For those of you in the UK Battlefield is on Discovery channel every weekday at 5 PM. I think it is also on at 8 AM Don Bridge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: RDChesneau Subject: Re: Sink the Bismark/Pursuit of the Graf Spee >> While I admit the Salem looked NOTHING like the Graf Spee, the British ships looked wonderful, I believe some of them played themselves didn't they? << Richard: Yes, I believe Cumberland played herself, as did Achilles (though of course in service as the Indian Delhi at the time). This side of the pond the film was called "The Battle of the River Plate". Frank: Thank you for your kind and generous comments. Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: "Spar" >> Because the basic Spar hue was also used on ships of the U.S. Navy's Great White Fleet, perhaps it's not so far-fetched to imagine John Snyder providing some of it in those neat little tins afterall. << Unfortunately, I haven't yet seen archival proof that it is the same color as the old USN Buff. So until we can nail that down, I wouldn't want to market Spar as USN Buff. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Doolittle Raid colours M G Foster wrote: >> I ran across a b/w photo of a B25 lifting off from the Hornet's flight deck. This is a really spectacular photo, the person who took it must have been on the cat-walk under the flight deck's leading edge (unfortunately, I did not note the URL of this web site and can't find it again). It appears that the aircraft's nacelle is a lighter color than the rest of the plane. In the background there appear to be 2 or 3 other aircraft with light colored nacelles. I've other b/w photos (from the Naval Historical web site) showing the other aircraft with nacelles that appear to be the same color as the rest of the plane. These other aircraft are on the after end of the flight deck (next to, or abaft the island. IOW, these photos don't show the leaders like the above mentioned photo). Does anyone know if the lead B25s (Doolittle's and planes 2-4) had light colored nacelles, and what was that color? << As far as I am aware, the aircraft on the Doolittle raid were painted in the standard scheme of olive drab upper surfaces and neutral grey lower surfaces. However, olive drab is an extremely controversial colour. There are numerous articles in aircraft modelling books and magazines about the precise nature of olive drab; was it green, was it brown, did the specification change during the war, and when, interpretation of black and white photos, differing renderings of colour on colour film with diferent light conditions, etc, etc, ad infinitum. Despite that, it is well known that olive drab was notorious for starting to fade almost as soon as it dried, and I beleive (though don't quote me) that there are reports of it eventually appearing as a light buff or even a pinky grey under certain extreme conditions. Areas of repainting could therefore show up as a very contrasting tone, or even a different hue. Your light coloured nacelles are probably areas of olive drab that have faded to a different extent than the rest of the airframe. Regards, David Griffith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: CA139JOHNF Subject: Pathe Films It appears that British Pathe films are now viewable and available online. I did some looking and found some really good stuff I've never seen before. Give it a shot. http://wwww.britishpathe.com John Frohock ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Randy Ward Subject: Re: Midway TV presentation Thanks to all who have replied regarding this program. I checked the PBS site, and they didn't list the Battlefield videos as being available for sale, nor is the series planned to air this month or next. Sigh. I did, however, find the "Battle of Hood and Bismarck" video, which I'll be ordering. Randy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: David Sepos Subject: Comments Please - Revellogram Enterprise Greetings, I am soliciting comments on the pros / cons of Revellogram 1/400 Enterprise. I realize it is a re-pop of the old Aurora mold. Any mods in this issue of the kit or is it unchanged? How good (or bad) is it? Has anyone purchased it? Are the molds wearing and showing signs of age as in excess flash or bad parting lines? How about warpage? How's the air wing (quality) and whats included? All insight appreciated. Regards, Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "cdecker" Subject: Trumpeter Models 2003-2004 All: Not sure if it was posted here yet or not, but here is the Trumpeter 2003-2004 list: 1/350 Scale 5605 USS Nimitz Class A/C Carrier 5606 USSR Admiral Kuzetsov A/C Carrier 5607 SS Jeremiah O'Brien Liberty SHip 5608 USS Lexington CV-2 A/C Carrier 5609 USS Saratoga CV-3 A/C Carrier 1/700 Scale 5707 USSR Kirov BC 5708 USSR Frunze BC 5709 USSR Kalinin BC 5710 USSR P Velikly BC 5711 German Battleship Bismarck 5712 German Battleship Tirpitz I would say there is the highest probability we will actually see these kits, most of them in the 2003-2004 timeframe. Trumpeter has released just about eveyrthing on their 2002-2003 list, and even some more. We were only expecting two BB's and got 4, and the Kiev / Minsk weren't on the list. The only things we haven't gotten are the Hornet, which is on the way, people have seen the actual model, and the Essex, which is currently reported to be coming in the March / April Timeframe. While I certainly would caution everyone to be realistic, trumpeter has done everything they have said they would do, and then some, so I would say before the end of 2004, we will see all of these kits. PS (you can buy all the trumpeter models at www.tridenthobbies.com) :-) Happy modeling and Hoping Chris Decker TridentHobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: John Collins Subject: Andreas Bergauer Andreas: I lived in Mannheim in the early 70s. May I ask you to contact me at: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net Thank you, John Collins Franklin, TN, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume