Subject: SMML VOL 2044 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 05:24:03 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: More aircraft colors 2: DECAL PAPER STORE 3: Re: Different Liberty Ship Question 4: Re: Different Liberty Ship Question 5: Re: Different Liberty Ship Question 6: HMS Prince of Wales from GPM - Wow 7: USS Midway CVB-41 (1945) 8: Re: PT 109 documentary 9: Scale relativities 10: Re: Seafire Markings 11: Re: Flower Class Corvette 12: Re: Liberty Ships 13: Re: Liberty ships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Flower Class Corvette ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Lkjohnson214 Subject: Re: More aircraft colors Cheers, As an aside, Goodyear and vought used non specular sea blue forward of the cockpit on their gloss sea blue painted Corsairs as an anti-glare measure. On a fresh airframe, this was very noticeable, but after exposure to the elemets, the shades blended together. For the three tone blue schemes, I fade the blues with some grey and a drop of pink per bottle, as the sea blue and intermediate blue faded rapidly in service until the demarcation between the hues was very indistinct, and the camo tended to take on a faint pinkish hue. I know that were talking winged thingies, but as I build 1/300 scale flattops, I have had to get very conversant with the camo schemes and how they wore in service. LJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: DECAL PAPER STORE HI YA'LL, Can anyone tell me where ink jet decal paper can be ordered other than the above? I e-mailed some questions to them, but haven't recieved an answer. Kinda makes a little nervous about thier business practices. Thanx, David IN DIXIE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "David T. Okamura" Subject: Re: Different Liberty Ship Question Bud Link wrote: >> Can anyone refer me to information as to which type a particular Liberty ship was? Is there a listing of names anywhere? << Bud, try http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~pt/liberty/liberty_list.html. Also, http://www.wwiitechpubs.com/dock/nv-usa/nv-usa-ss-liberty-ship/nv-usa-ss-liberty-ship-ftr.html should have plenty of information on Liberty Ship variants. David T. Okamura ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Don Myers Subject: Re: Different Liberty Ship Question Mr. Link, try starting with the USMM.org web site. You'll find a list of Victory and Liberty ships by name, as well as links to types, ie C2, VC2, EC, etc., the latter being part of the Maritime Administration system for design classification adopted in 1944. The classification system itself is found in one of the DANFS volumes the specific vol for same escapes me at the moment. Many public libraries hold the 8 vol set. Within the site you'll find many other bits of info: list of yards, # of ships built by type, equipment suppliers, and so on, as well as knowledgeable folks. I also suggest the Navy Armed Guard site which supports a posting site with message thread answered by people may answer other questions of interest. Hope this helps. Don ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: cfrieden@calpoly.edu Subject: Different Liberty Ship Question Bud, There are a few online lists, but here is one that is useful: http://www.usmm.net/libyards.html It has links to lists of ships sorted by yard and type, and if you scroll down there is a link to an alphabetical listing. Regards, Chris Friedenbach Crewmember, SS Jeremiah O'Brien ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Vess Irvine" Subject: HMS Prince of Wales from GPM - Wow It just arrived from the Czech Republic. A 200th scale card model HMS Prince of Wales in an 11" by 14" booklet, published by GPM in Poland. This folks is state of the art modeling. 25 pages of parts (thousands, can't count them all) on good quality card stock, 8 pages of the highest quality construction diagrams rendered from the latest drawing software. One page of wire templates for masts, etc. One page of instructions in Polish. And those are BIG pages. Absolutely drop dead gorgeous color printing of the five color camouflauge above water line hull, oxide red lower hull, weathered wooden decks, nicely painted fake wood display stand. Cost = 20.20 Euros (about $20). Sorry guys, $500 for an equivalent resin model, $100 for Tamiya plus photo-etch. This thing is a screaming bargain (and twice as large) and if you can cut out the parts with an X-acto knife accurately, score, fold and roll the parts, attach with white glue, you will have the equal of any model out there today, if not superior in the ever important "wow" factor. OK, pop for some 200th scale photo-etch railings to make it a museum piece. For $20, everyone on this list should just buy it sight unseen, if for nothing else then as a painting guide. For the same price or less as one of those research books people are spending for, you will have research galore in the work the model designers have put into this thing. OK. For a picture of the completed model, see: http://www.gpm.pl/ It is available from: http://www.maquettespapier.com/ with secure ordering, and my copy took about 10 days to arrive from the Czech Republic. I am just speachless ...... And yes, the disclaimer; I have no connection with the publisher or designers. I don't even speak Polish. I just know a hit me over the head and knock me silly bargain when I see it. Regards Vess Irvine Estes Park, Colorado P.S. Also in my package, a 200th Graf Spee (older kit, 10.80 Euros) and a 1/16th Leopard tank (22.90 Euros, same deal with the Loepard as with the PoW, like wow, like I just don't believe my eyes, like "How much does Tamiya want for their Panzer Tiger in the same scale, $400 or thereabouts!). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Mike Bartel Subject: USS Midway CVB-41 (1945) I've been looking for drawings or good photos of the Midway class as built. In particular, the hangar sides and the locations and sizes and appearances of the roll-up doors, not to mention other bits and pieces around and in front of them. If anyone has anything they can help with, or if you can point me in the direction of something, please let me know. Thanks, Mike Bartel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "William B. Smallshaw" Subject: Re: PT 109 documentary Timothy, Please reference the National Geographic web update of July 11, 2002 which states: "That last detail--the training gear--combined with readings from sonar (which can penetrate the sea floor) have Ballard convinced at least part of the rest of the bow is buried and connected to the tube." I, for one, am not in a position to argue with Dr. Ballard regarding his judgment on the capabilities of his equipment. The man's reputation and credentials are well established, he certainly has achieved a great deal more than I have in the area of sea floor expedition. I further would suggest that this discussion is not well placed on SMML. My intention was only to attempt to answer a simple query placed on the list. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Steve.Richards Subject: Scale relativities As I was contemplating my various-scales model ship collection the other day, it seemed to me that unless one is displaying the models in a diorama setting, the big ships should be big models! What I mean by this, is that regardless of the amount of detail and accuracy that small scale models can achieve these days, a battleship or carrier which were/are awesome and majestic vessels require a model who's size is better able to help convey the effect of the original. (A destroyer on the other hand, could get away with being a "small" model. ) I think this is so because people are perhaps better able to put into perspective and relate the size and details of the model to their "own world" when they are better able to see the details of the model. Take for instance the many and varied models of HMS Hood. A 1/1250 or even a 1/700 scale model no matter how impressive does not capture the imagination and "oh wow" factor as a 1/400 and larger model. However it's all subjective and common sense, (and money!), has to come into play and I guess we have to settle on a scale that allows us to model a range of subjects and fit everything into our homes! A few years ago I scratch-built HMS Royal Sovereign (1930) in a scale of 1/300. It is the only model I have ever built to such a large scale and compared to many kits it's probably a bit rudimentary. But by jingo, it is the pride of my collection and captures people's attention of a fine looking subject. Steve Richards ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: Re: Seafire Markings Perhaps you should check out the IPMS Fleet Air Arm Special Interest Group. http://www.faasig.org/ Brooks A Rowlett (first post to this list) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "George Peat" Subject: Re: Flower Class Corvette Bert, Ref your enquiry about the Revell 1/72nd scale Flower class, Drawings etc are available from John Lambert also if you want to contact me me of group then about the model then feel free to do so. I am the secretary of Task Force 72/UK a group of model makers who concemtrate on models to this scale and have members here in the uK who can give you all the information nad assistance that you may want, Regards, George Peat BEM Secretary TF72/UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SantMin Subject: Re: Liberty Ships >> Can anyone refer me to information as to which type a particular Liberty ship was? Is there a listing of names anywhere? << "The Liberty Ships" Loyd's of London Press Ltd. lists every one of them by name and number and what happened to them, Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Liberty ships >> Can anyone refer me to information as to which type a particular Liberty ship was? Is there a listing of names anywhere? << L.A. Sawyer and W.H. Mitchell have a book "The Liberty Ships" which should give you the information you need. While no longer in print used copies are available through Barnes and Noble as are other books concerning these ships. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "lamkeel" Subject: Re: Flower Class Corvette Hi TaT or whoever, there in Aus. If you require detailed drawings of Flower Class Corvettes, their weapons and other RN ships of destroyer size and below, then have a look at my web site - www.john-lambert-plans.com You are talking about the RN when we HAD a Navy. Yours "Aye" John Lambert ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume