Subject: SMML VOL 2053 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:16:36 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: BB's paint scheme @ Pearl Harbor 2: Re: Big gun recoil; Re: Accuracy of condemnation of ships plans 3: Re: Not everything the Navy launches flys! 4: Not everything flies 5: Re: Leipzig versus Koln 6: Re: Leipzig versus Koln 7: The new Trumpeter USS Hornet has arrived 8: Re: Carrier names 9: From Rare books mailing list 10: C-2 Greyhound 11: Re: Accuracy of ships plans & A/C Drawings (slightly OT) 12: Re: 1/1200 scale sailing ship - kit review and modeling question ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: Re: BB's paint scheme @ Pearl Harbor Eh? Weren't they ALL in Measure 1? Most sources agree on that... and I think most photos indicate that. As for turrets looking white, that is totally dependent on the sun angle - it certainly was NOT part of Ms 1 instructions. Brooks A Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: Re: Big gun recoil; Re: Accuracy of condemnation of ships plans The recoil is absorbed in hyraulic rams, with hydraulic fluid forced into reservoirs. They hydraulic fluid is then pumped back into the cylinders to push the guns back forward to their loading position. Think shock absorber, or power brakes. In regard to ship's plans. AD Baker III's drawing in Friedman's US Cruisers book of the rearmed-during-WWI USS OLYMPIA shows two more guns (i.e. one on the visible side, presumably matched on the other broadside) than the ship was listed officially as equipped with. I asked him about it (during a busy time for him, unfortunately) and he could only tell me that his drawing was based on the booklet of general plans from the National Archive. I suspect that the plans in fact show the intended re-armament, and either a shortage of 5" guns and/or diversion of two of the indended ones to merchant ships, or some similar consideration, resulted in the middle gun on each broadside never being installed. What photos there are of OLYMPIA in this configuration do seem to indicate an empty port at the center position of the broadside mount locations. Brooks A Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Not everything the Navy launches flys! >> Are you sure it wasn't Ted Kennedy?! << Nah he never needed a cat to send a car flying Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Kelvin Mok Subject: Not everything flies >> Are you sure it wasn't Ted Kennedy?! << Liked that one about "If Ted had been driving a VW Beetle he would have been president." Note: VWs do float. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Sab1156 Subject: Re: Leipzig versus Koln Dear Lou, I dont think,that you can change the K-class into Leipzig! The Leipzig is longer than the K-klass, but the Koeln hull is higher! K-class cruisers have a mirrow-stern, Leipzigs stern is round. The leipzig has a more massive bridge and only on funnel, but Koeln has two and a different bridge. The 15cm tripple guns of Leipzig are in one row, but on the K-class,the 2nd and 3rd turret are not in a line but the second turret is on the right side, the third is on the left side! As I know,the only cruisers in the world with this type of gun placement. There is also a difference between Leipzig and Nuernberg: Leipzig had 3 x 8, 8cm twin aa-guns like the K-class, but Nuernberg had 4 x 10,5cm twin aa-guns! I hope this helps you Best Regards, Detlef Hartwig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Sab1156@aol.com Subject: Re: Leipzig versus Koln In reference to the Leipzig/K-class cruisers: I dont know the drawings in the polish books, but I do not think, that they are better than the volume 1 of the Groener series. This drawings were made from the best german naval historians! Detlef Hartwig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Michiel Woort" Subject: The new Trumpeter USS Hornet has arrived Last week the new USS Hornet kits has arrived, what a very nice kit. All the parts are good packed. You can build a waterline or a full hull version. They provided an hanger deck (are you listing Mr. Tamiya). And you can make a Doolittle or Midway version. All parts are nice detailed and you get four types of airplanes only two of each. They put the B 25B, F 4F, TBD Devastator and the SBD Dauntless in the box. The nice thing of the planes is that they made a kind of "clic"system from the frame so you get glass parts for the cockpits, black for the wheels, etc and grey for the planes. Our importer only forget to order the extra plane sets. He only ordered 64 kits and he sold them in two days to the shops so don't say ship modeling is out. The price is around euro 105,- and I hope the people from Trumpeter send a promo to Mr. $$$$ Tamiya with a too expenive USS Enterprise. Greetings Michiel Woort The Netherlands ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Carrier names Dear SMMLies This thread about naming US carriers keeps coming up every few months, doesn't it, and it's usually good for a laugh. Let me add my totally invalid British three ha'p'orth. Don't flame me, it's only in fun. It seems to me that there has been a tradition to name a lot of the US carriers after famous battles, many, but by no means all, ones where you gave us Brits a thrashing, Yorktown, Lexington, Bunker Hill, Saratoga, Cowpens,as well as Belleau Wood and presumably a few others. But, Hey, weren't these all battles on land? Surely sea battles would be a better choice to name a carrier after? Now I know there have been the USS Midway and Coral Sea, but I'd like to suggest a little battle whose name seems to have been forgotten. It gave rise to one of the most famous naval quotes of all time, up there along with "Anyone for another game of bowls, me hearties?" "Kiss me, Hardy" and "Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!" I mean, of course, "Surrender, I have not yet begun to fight!" I'm sure there has been at least one US ship called the John Paul Jones, and there has been a carrier called Bonnehomme Richard. But what about the name of the battle itself? Go on US Navy! Be a little devil! Name this new carrier the USS Flamborough Head!!! :-) Regards, and hands across the sea, David Griffith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: From Rare books mailing list I know nothing about this book or the dealer: posting only FYI. Brooks A Rowlett >> From: Book Garden Gallery Subject: FS: Ships and Ship Models. Volume 1. 1931-1932. We can offer today: [122655] Marshall, Percival SHIPS AND SHIP MODELS. VOLUME 1. 1931-1932. Garden City Press: England, 1977, 384 pages. Facsimile edition. First published by Percival Marshall Ltd 1931-32. Hardbound. Near fine in a like dustwrapper. Handsome copy. Profusely illustrated. "Ships and Ship Models" was one of the shorter-lived of the Percy Marshall hobby journals, appearing first in September 1931 and ceasing publication during the run of Volume 9 with the April 1940 farewell edition. Packed with a fascinating mixture of modeling ideas, prototype information, model projects and information, the 'lore' of the sea, notable ships, model steamer designs, the immortal work of Norman Ough, rich in nautical history. Rare in its original format, uncommon in this facsimile printing. $55 Image: http://www.bookgarden.com/images/122655.jpg Order: http://www.bookgarden.com/catalog/book/122655.html Please email or call as needed. Thank you. Ian Brabner << ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: DTSARATOGA Subject: C-2 Greyhound I'm wondering if you have any idea where I can locate a plastic model kit of a C-2 greyhound, navy cargo plane? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: MDDoremus Subject: Re: Accuracy of ships plans & A/C Drawings (slightly OT) James Corley wrote: >> Apparently, the management at LockMart doesn't see the benefit of having the engineers actually change the plans to keep them current. Must be cheaper to use the floor labor to rework the parts, thus eliminating any supposed "savings" made by outsourcing, than actually putting the engineers to work revising the plans << Based on my experience as an engineer at a LockMart predecessor, management has seen the benefit of using engineers to modify drawings. Actually it costs them money, the use of engineers to make original drawings is passed completely on to the government i.e. no cost to the contractor for salary, benefits, telephones, computers etc. The cost of modifications to drawings is an overhead cost that the contractor must absorb i.e. it eats up their profits. The modification labor is probably also passed on to the government completely, thus insuring the contractor has no incentive to update the drawings at all. In an On-Topic vein, this may help to explain the differences between builder's plans and as-completed ships. Mark Doremus former F-16 worker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "David N. Lombard" Subject: Re: 1/1200 scale sailing ship - kit review and modeling question >> I think I have gotten myself into (a lot) more work than I was expecting! Help! << James Fox III has made some *extraordinary* small ship models, some examples are at: http://www.chibardun.net/~jfox3/ http://www.shipsinbottles.org He has also written several articles for "Seaways Ships in Scale." There web site is http://www.seaways.com David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA N 33 deg, 48', W 118 deg, 5' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume