Subject: SMML VOL 2069 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:47:54 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Trumpeter USS Hornet 2: Re: U Boat Kits 3: Re: Catapult aircraft retrieval 4: SMML Questions 5: Joe Kennedy 6: Re: Trumpeter USS Hornet 7: Re: Lee Aircraft Carriers 8: Re: Painting the Tirpitz 9: 1:700th USSR Kiev (CV) 10: Re: SteelNavy Offline? 11: Interesting item on eBay 12: Re: Catapult aircraft retrieval 13: Half Price Books 14: Trumpeter Hornet 15: Re: Painting the Tirpitz 16: Bonhomme Richard 17: Re: Steel Navy Off-line??? 18: Re: Steelnavy off-line? 19: Lee Aircraft carrier models 20: dolittles raid 21: Re: HMS Manchester 22: Essex-class Carrier Conversion (SCB-125) 23: Re: Steel Navy .com 24: USS Kennedy to be overhauled at Mayport -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Trader's Announcement ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Jill Ferreira" Subject: Trumpeter USS Hornet Well, I just got my copy of the Hornet and went straight to the bow to check it out. Yes, it looks heavy. Then I started checking out the rest of the kit, which looks quite good in the box. Some of the small parts are a bit heavy but, we are modelers. Next step was to dig out my USS Enterprise plans and kit. The Blue Water Navy Enterprise has a bow that is pretty close to the Hornet, especially above the waterline. Below the waterline they would be pretty close except for the limits of injection molding. There is bulbous nose cap at the bottom of the hull which they did not mold well on the plastic kit. Next the plans from Floating Drydock do have section views but without scaling down the plans and starting your own bow it will be hard to tell. So, my final opinion, and I am NOT claiming to be an expert just a lowly modeler, is that the bow maybe a bit heavy but considering that Blue Water Navy's kits are pretty accurate I think the bow is pretty close. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Bill Livingston" Subject: Re: U Boat Kits Hi 'Phil Collins', Are you sure the manufacturers name is not in fact Accurate Armour? Here is a link direct to the Type VIIc U boat mentioned earlier: http://www.accurate-armour.com/aaproducts.cfm?CFID=28807&CFTOKEN=31977859&navlevel=1 Considering this kit is 74" long at 1:35 scale, £335.00 (£285.11 ex-tax) sounds a pretty reasonable price to me. They now produce a range of submarine products. They are a very well thought of company producing some of the best resin armour kits in the world, if not THE best. Accuracy is considered to be one of their greatest strengths. I hadn't realised they produced other submarine kits until just now when I checked the list.... That British miniature submarine kit looks interesting.... In fact, their whole web site is worth a look around. Based in Scotland, UK. Hope this helps, Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SteveWiper Subject: Re: Catapult aircraft retrieval >> Catapult aircraft were retrieved by their ships using a recovery float mat that was towed in the lee of the ship. The a/c would "drive" onto the mat and the mat and a/c would be towed into range of the ship's crane. I want to know where the line for the float mat was secured to the ship. Was it trailed from a crane, tied to a bitt, held by personnel? Here is a picture of an SOC being retrieved in 1942, that shows the recovery float mat: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g20000/g21927.jpg Here are some other pictures of observation float planes: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/ac-usn22/s-types/soc-r.htm << The float mat or net was dragged by the ship as it made a wide sweepping turn to calm the water for smoother recovery. The mat/net was dragged in the water on the inside of the sweeping turn. This was secured to the forward boat boom, with the mat/net positioned alongside the ship. The aircraft, once it hooked onto the mat/net was lifted out of the water by the aircraft crane and hoisted aboard. I have a couple of photos of this process in my books #7 New Orleans Class Cruisers and #16 USS New Jersey BB-62. Steve @ www.classicwarships.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SSNBuff Subject: SMML Questions Shane, in reference to the recent flames about accuracy and such with models, I want to know if I am in trouble for the following: - I needed Buff color paint for a Victorian ironclad and ended up at my local hobby shop. They had the color but it was a Floquil Railroad color! Did I violate a shipmodelers code here by using railroad colors? - While in the same hobby shop, I looked at a model of a B-47 (yes, an airplane!). Is this a violation too? What sort of punishments can I expect here? Sincerely & Apologetically Dean Markley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: M Brown Subject: Joe Kennedy Further to the comments about Joe Kennedy, the December issue of Aeroplane has a long article on the Liberator & comments about the missile versions. In essence, as part of Project Anvil, some USN PB4Ys was converted you a flying bomb. The pilot was to fly it almost to the target, then bail out. The programme went ahead in parallel with the Air Force’s Project Aphrodite. Same idea using B17s. The USN targets were the U-Boat pens & V1 sites. Per the article, no real success was achieved. Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: Trumpeter USS Hornet Hi SMMLies, As for the Hornet kit having a bad bow you could use the Revell Yorktown CV 5 kit as a guide or their Enterprise or Hornet, all the same mold. Their hull is very good except for the shafts. Do not follow them on the Revell kit for they are very wrong. Both kits need the armor belt too. KTB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: ken.p.lemaster@exxonmobil.com Subject: Re: Lee Aircraft Carriers I have the Enterprise with the original bee hive ecm island. I have not built it yet, but it looks like it is a repop of the now Arii, ex Otaki, kit, the parts are in the same locations. The aircraft that come with the kit are really bad. You would be better served if you can find the Otaki aircraft or the Arii aircraft set. I bought the Arii set from Squadron some time ago, it is the same mold, but some of the aircraft have some sink spots. The Otaki set does show up on Ebay from time to time. Now if only someone would put out brass for it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: Painting the Tirpitz From: "Daniel Bauer" >> When painting any scheme I paint each subsection. << OK, good point. But _I_ thought the original poster was asking "how do you get all those straight lines of color across the very non-flat ship?". If that wasn't the original question, then I'll ask it for myself, since I have a Tirpitz to build one-of-these-days too. Allan Plumb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Loren Pike" Subject: 1:700th USSR Kiev (CV) Has anyone purchased and/or put together the Trumpeter's 1:700th scale USSR Kiev (CV) kit #5704? I see that Hannant's show a picture of it and was wondering how good a kit it was? Thanks for any answers. Loren Pike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: EDWARD GRUNE Subject: Re: SteelNavy Offline? This subject came up last week. A year or two ago SteelNavy's address changed from "warship.simplenet.com" to "steelnavy.com". They continued to mirror SteelNavy on the old simplenet address. Last week the simplenet.com address finally expired. If you change your browser to go to steelnavy.com instead - and change your bookmarks too - you should be in good shape. Ed Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: paulship37 Subject: Interesting item on eBay I saw this item for sale at eBay. Super Destroyers - Big Destroyers Built 1930s http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2901118727 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Bruce Ross" Subject: Re: Catapult aircraft retrieval I'm not sure about all types, but typcially on say a New Orleans class CA where the recovery was over the side the mat holding line was attached to a boat boom that was swung out amidships. On those units were the cranes were located on the stern the holding line would be ran through a chock on the fantail and secured on deck somewhere. That answer the question? Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Bob Reddy Subject: Half Price Books My local (Columbus, OH USA) Half Price Book store has V.E. Tarrant's 'King George V Class Battleships" for $9.98, and The Anatomy of Ship IJN BB Fuso for $14.98. I also picked up a book I had never seen before "War at Sea 1939-1945" by Jurgen Rohwer. Cost is $12.98. The cover has a close-up overhead photo of the German DD Z-26 on fire and sinking in action with HMS Trinidad, 29Mar42. The book has a whole lot of photos I have never seen before. 2 examples are the Deutschland being fitted out at Kiel in 1932. The first piece of armor plate is being fitted to the forward turret roof. The turret interior detail is visible. The second photo shows the CL USS Savannah being hit by the glider bomb that almost sank her off Salerno in Sep43. All in all, these will make great "suprise" gifts for my Christmas stocking. I'll be suitably suprised. Bob Reddy, Columbus, OH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Trumpeter Hornet Received my Hornet today. After a cursory look, I was impressed. Trumpeter seems to improve with each kit. I would be interested in seeing a sketch of what has to be done to accurize the bow area. The hull is in two parts, like the Trumpeter/Banner Arizona, an upper and lower, allowing for an easy choice between waterline and full hull. The fit off the lower to upper hull was really good. Considering the size of the parts, I was impressed. If there are any aftermarket/Upgrade kit suppliers hanging around, what this kit really cries for are interior parts. A full hangar deck is provided. What are needed are a set of inside bulkheads/sidewalls, ceiling frames and some fittings so we can open some of the hangar deck doors. It would be really impressive to see some planes spotted around the hangar and stored in the loft under the flight deck!!! HINT HINT Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: NEVENGER Subject: Re: Painting the Tirpitz Ok modify my earlier instruction to say you paint the pattern with the model not fully assembled, but you do it in sections. That way as you paint the pattern you can place the sub assemblies together unglued and thus line up you patterns as the model goes together. Hope this helps. Rich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: BK Dean Subject: Bonhomme Richard Dr Kerry, I love a well told recounted history. You did a fine job of it. I believe there are two kits available, one on each of these inspiring vessels. Although the kit makers' names escapes me at the moment, I do know that they were both sold through Model Expo, PO Box 229140, 3850 N. 29th Terrace, Hollywood, FL 33022 or go to modelexpo.com Both models are exquisite. The Bonhomme Richard and the Serapis are very close in scale detail. They are both "Plank on Frame" models, so they are meant for the experienced modeler. They have rich decor with all fittings and utilize exotic woods from around the world. I have built a couple of "Plank on Frames" and the education you receive in shipwright as well as woodworking in general makes it a really fulfilling journey. The ships go for around $235-250, but are more than worth the price. You call sell your ship model (if you can bear parting with it) to an individual or a model ship gallery for many times the price you paided for it. Once again, thank you for sharing the story that took place in 1812, of the ships, the men, their gallantry of the day and, the early days of this forged young nation. BKD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: NAVYDAZE Subject: Re: Steel Navy Off-line??? I agree with Craig, I have not been able to get thru to the web site via AOL or any other way. Michael Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist http://www.navydaze.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: Steelnavy off-line? >> What's happened to the steel navy website? Lately it's been off line. I checked my spelling and tried two other suggested search engines. What's going on. << Change your bookmark. Steelnavy used to reside at a server located at simplenet.something. For a long time, that url has stayed alive, automatically forwarding to the current location at steelnavy.com. It finally went away. Type steelnavy.com in your browser's location window and you should get there. Then reset your bookmark. Rick ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Paul & Renee Jacobs" Subject: Lee Aircraft carrier models I built the Lee ENTERPRISE. With a bit of extra work, it turned into a very presentable model. It is very close to 1:1200 scale. Maybe 1:1150; I'm not sure. The model is waterline with a bottom hull that can be fitted to it. Paul Jacobs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "robert dibbon" Subject: dolittles raid i just bought the hornet from trumpetter and wow. i`m new to ship modelling in general but i`ve been modeling for years. my question is twofold. 1.the boxart clearly shows the flightdeck to be wood (possibly teak), but the paint guide tells it to be 30% navy blue + 70% dark grey. which is right. 2.which aircraft where stored below deck. i believe it`s the wildcats as shown on the sheet. if so how many would she carry. thank you for your time robert dibbon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: HMS Manchester > From: David Sepos >> This month's (December) Squadron sale flyer has a Revell Germany 1/700 HMS Sheffield for $ 9.99. Knowing the model companies, it's probably the same kit with different boxart. << No it's not! Sheffield was Type 42 Batch 1, Manchester Batch 3. The B3s were significantly longer in the bow, and one will not substitute for the other. You need the Manchester model unless you want to scratch everything from the front of the superstructure forward. Joe Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Michael McMurtrey Subject: Essex-class Carrier Conversion (SCB-125) The impending release of the Trumpeter Essex-class carrier in 1/350 prompts me to ask: 1. Is anyone working on an SCB-125 (hurricane bow, angled flight deck, shorter island) conversion kit for it? 2. Does anyone do a similar conversion for the 1/700 scale Essex/Ticonderoga kits? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Preston L Hassler Subject: Re: Steel Navy .com Try www.steelnavy.com In the past I had to get it using warship.simplenet, but recently I also had troubles getting it there. Somehow I discovered it at the steelnavy address. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: John Kutina Subject: USS Kennedy to be overhauled at Mayport http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/2002-12-19/local_kennedy.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Brent Theobald Subject: Trader's Announcement Howdy! I wanted to remind ya'll that next Monday is the last day to enter the $100 Christmas Drawing from Roll Models. I'm sure some of you have been putting it off. Well, procrastinate no longer! :-) All you need to do is visit the Searchable Catalog or Online Catalog and select $100 worth of merchandise. Make a list of what you want. Send me an email with the stock numbers in that list. If your name is drawn from the virtual hat you win everything from the list. 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