Subject: SMML VOL 2070 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:03:47 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Aircraft carrier essay 2: Interesting items on eBay 3: Re: Steel Navy Off-line??? 4: Re: Railroad colors 5: SMML Questions 6: Trumpeter Hornet 7: Attn. Michael McMurtrey re: your SCB 125A 27C ESSEX 8: warship drawings 9: Re: Trumpeter Kiev 10: Hornet bow 11: Re: U boot 12: Feliz Navidad y Próspero 2003 Merry Christmas & Happy New year 2003 13: Help Me! 14: Re: CV-8 on the Doolittle raid 15: Re: dolittles raid 16: Re: Catapult Aircraft retrieval 17: british destroyer deck colors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: USCG Subjects kit list updated 2: CB Alaska ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Henry Blecha Subject: Aircraft carrier essay Shane Not exactly modelling related, but it is ship related. A good read. http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson121302.asp Henry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: paulship37 Subject: Interesting items on eBay I saw these items for sale at eBay: 4- 1/700 RESIN MISC. SHIPS http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3101247964 PRINCE HENERY/DAVID/ROBERT plan http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3101174680 Ship Plans, USS VINCENNES & QUINCY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=748643943 Ship Plans Inboard Profile U.S.S. CABOT http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=748759948 Ship Plans, USS ENTERPRISE & YORKTOWN http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=748761321 Ship Plans, USS ATLANTA & JUNEAU http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=749062040 Ship Plans, USS RANGER (CV-4) Flightdeck http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=748763363 Ship Plans, USS MAHAN, Inboard Profile http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=748761662 Ship Plans Aircraft Carrier Markings Drawing http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=748763205 Ship Plans, USS WASP, Outboard profile http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=748764946 Ship Plans Fletcher-class Destroyer Outboard http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=748764728 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Uwe Besken Subject: Re: Steel Navy Off-line??? Hi Craig, I had the same problem, but it is easy to correct. You should try www.steelnavy.com for the Website of Steelnavy. The former link warship.simplenet.com does not function any more. Uwe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: ELLshipmodeler Subject: Re: Railroad colors SSNBuff writes: >> I needed Buff color paint for a Victorian ironclad and ended up at my local hobby shop. They had the color but it was a Floquil Railroad color! Did I violate a shipmodelers code here by using railroad colors? << Your are fine as long as you put railroad trucks (wheels) on the bottom of the model. However, you must also draw them into the plans you are using. Gene Larson Alexandria, VA NRG Member ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: SMML Questions >> - While in the same hobby shop, I looked at a model of a B-47 (yes, an airplane!). Is this a violation too? << Some people consider aircraft kit building a totally different hobby. But if you want to at least say that you only build 'naval' aircraft, you can get away wtih a B-47, if you can find the right decals.... (tick...tick...tick...waiting for someone to say the B-47 was never operated by anybody except the USAF.... WRONG! Two B-47s were operated by the Navy. Can anyone say by what unit?) Brooks A Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Trumpeter Hornet Well, I should chime in with my comments about this kit. I think it is a very good model, and even though the bow needs a little rework, leaving it as is won't really detract from the model. I find it very interesting how they even molded in those little rain gutters above the portholes. And I like how on the bridge and some of the other structures, they provide the basic "box" for the structure, then you laminate the actual sides to make the finished structure. That helped make the molding even better. I find all the detail to be quite crisp, and I think it is definitely worth the wait and the price. I'm hoping their Essex class is as good, or better than this, since they seem to get better as time progresses. Regarding the airplanes, I am very pleased that they molded the black parts in engineering "slippery" plastic. I was worried about those delicate props until I opened a bag and felt the molding. They give you 2 of the following aircraft: B25's, TBD's, SBD's, and F4F's. The B25's come in additional sets of 10, and I bought an additional 2 sets of B25's, which means I have a total of 22 B25. Since you only need 16 for a Doolittle Raider model, I will have an additional 6 to spare. If anybody wants 4 of these to make a squadron of 16, rather than buying an additional set, I will gladly part with these 4. Contact me off list. One note about the B25's: They have the belly turret which must be removed if you are representing a Doolittle raider. I suspect they will also need a little clay in the nose to keep them from sitting on their tails. Rod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: stillmo Subject: Attn. Michael McMurtrey re: your SCB 125A 27C ESSEX Since that particular ESSEX kit is not quite out yet, it will take the cottage industry/resin folks a bit of tool up time to see what the possibilities and eventualities will be. There WILL be conversion kits, their WILL be a long hulled version out, their WILL be a whole new FRAMed island out, it just wont happen overnite, I have been an ESSEX connoiseur for several years and done several research articles in older issues of PLASTIC SHIP MODELLER. One of them in particular deals with the full conversion of the Hasegawa 1/700 WWII version to a full angled deck twenty seven charlie....and you can email me off list if you want reprints of that copyrighted article. What I did in 700th would simply be scaled up to 350th. I would honestly wait awhile and stock up on the new aircraft sets (and there WILL be lots of aircraft and flight deck sets), new brass PE, but remember you will have to WIDEN the hull by 8' both sides and fair in the blisters on all four quadrants, and do a lot of rip out..... Whatever you do, the conversion kits and accessories will be a fair bundle of $$, so put the pennies away and get ready for a long steady flow of accessory sets late next year. RD Bean Plastic Ship Modeller Magasine ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "mor shalom" Subject: warship drawings Hi to everyone. I am hapy to be part of this mailing list. Found latlely 3 webs with good drawings: www.ussslater.org www.dd-962.com http://panzer.city.tomsk.net/index.html Hope it can help Shalom Mor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Bill Daisley" Subject: Re: Trumpeter Kiev From: "Loren Pike" >> Has anyone purchased and/or put together the Trumpeter's 1:700th scale USSR Kiev (CV) kit #5704? I see that Hannant's show a picture of it and was wondering how good a kit it was? Thanks for any answers. << Its wrapped in Christmas paper for my son just now... However, Dave at D&B Hobbies (shameless plug for a good shop) kindly let me browse through the box and it looked just wonderful, lots of detail, brass props, and FORGERS that looked like FORGERS... (I took the Italeri Kuznetsov to a contest and the ship looked good, but the "plane guys" laughed at the MiG's & Su's ) I'll have a much better feel for the assembly process in January... and with the new digital camera the lad received for his Birthday... some pics as well... cheers Bill TGH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Mike C" Subject: Hornet bow You cannot compare the Trumpeter Hornet to any of the BWN Yorktown series when checking the accuracy of the bow. The Trumpeter Hornet was pantographed from the master of the BWN Hornet, so they both share the same problem. The Yorktown class had a waterline shape at the bow that was more like the gentle "S" curve of a wine bottle, and not the blunt dart as you see on the kit. The flare of the bow sides was also much more pronounced. Photos in the Ewing book as well as the Classic Warships Yorktown Class book will help illustrate this point. I wrote to Mike Bishop shortly after he released his Enterprise kit to point this out, but I guess he already had the other versions in the works and decided not to change them. BTW, my Enterprise has the original six piece hull, so you have an idea of how long ago that was. Consider yourselves lucky. At least Trumpeter didn't copy the late-war BWN Enterprise with its hideous bulges. Having said that, though, I've seen a finished Enterprise and the kit does build up into an impressive model. As usual, it will be up to each builder to decide if they can live with the flaws in the Hornet kit. Have fun, Mike C ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Phil Collins" Subject: Re: U boot >> Are you sure the manufacturers name is not in fact Accurate Armour? << No Bill it's a completely different one. The Andrea one is a 1:32 scale full hull model. I agree though, at that price it's a hell of a bargain. If only I had more space...and skills. At that size it would have lots of wow factor. Phil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Cayetano Martínez Beltrán Subject: Feliz Navidad y Próspero 2003 Merry Christmas & Happy New year 2003 Feliz Navidad y Próspero Año nuevo 2003! Merry Chritsmas and Happy New year 2003! Cayetano Martínez ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Squrl53 Subject: Help Me! Dear Sir or Mam, I'm trying to find a pre built model of a submarine my father was stationed on in 1968. It was call the USS Benjamin Franklin. I would appriciate any help. Thankyou, Rick Kozlik ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: HAZEGRAYADM Subject: Re: CV-8 on the Doolittle raid While the 16 B-25s were taking off, the Hornet's own planes (According to one source, 18 F4Fs,32 SBDs & 15 TBDs) were all stashed below in the hanger deck. The flight deck would have been stained in the deck stain of the period: most likely the #21 deck blue stain. John Snyder can give us the correct number, right John? Bert McDowell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: MGFoster Subject: Re: dolittles raid robert dibbon said: >> 1. ... the flightdeck ... paint guide tells it to be 30% navy blue + 70% dark grey. which is right. << The flight deck material was Douglas fir. The camoflage measure for the Hornet on the Doolittle raid was Measure 12 modified. Go to this site for more info on Measure 12: http://www.shipcamouflage.com/warship_camouflage.htm >> 2. which aircraft where stored below deck. ... if so how many would she carry. << The full complement of aircraft was carried in the hanger deck. According to _Warship Pictorial: Yorktown Class Carriers_, by Steve Wiper. Classic Warships Publishing, p. 63: 18 F4Fs (Wildcats), 32 SBDs (Helldivers), 15 TBNs (name not known). Total 65 aircraft (plus 16 B25s of the USAAF on the flight deck). After the B-25s were launched, the a/c in the hanger deck were moved to the flight deck & made ready for launch, in case of Japanese attack. MGFoster:::mgf Oakland, CA (USA) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: MGFoster Subject: Re: Catapult Aircraft retrieval Steve Wiper said: >> ... This was secured to the forward boat boom, .... << Bruce Ross said: >> ... On those units were the cranes were located on the stern the holding line would be run through a chock on the fantail and secured on deck somewhere. << Thanks Steve & Bruce. Doing research for a build of the Revell USS Arizona, that, hopefully, will be a little different from the usual Pearl Harbor stuff. Other topic: I also have your Warship Pictoral on Yorktown Class Carriers and found that the Tamiya's, 1/700 scale, USS Hornet (CV8) hull is really the USS Enterprise (CV6) hull. The flight deck is also Enterprise's/Yorktown's. I'm still reviewing the Hornet kit for differences from the photos in your book. Just wanted to say thanks for the book & the a/c retrieval info. MGFoster:::mgf Oakland, CA (USA) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: ED_ LARYEH Subject: british destroyer deck colors Here's a question for the camouflage paint experts. I have several WWII destroyer models and painted them in different patterns. The side view was easy, plenty of books and photos are available. The problem came with the decks. Pre-war RN large warships had teak decks (a subject already well covered here) and some bare steel that was usually painted dark grey (507A for the purists). Pre-war destroyer decks were covered with corticene, a chocolate brown sort of linoleum. By the end of the war admiralty instructions included different deck colors for the various standard schemes. The question is...When did the change from corticene to painted colors take place? It was probably a process with repainting of the decks included in normal shipyard repairs or overhauls, but when did it start?The critical part is for the war built destroyers O-Z and Hunt class. Were any of them completed with corticene? and for the pre-war DD's, WHEN were the decks painted? I realize the dates may vary for specific ships of the same class. I should add that I am also particularly interested in the TOWN class. They went through several different modifications. I have models of each one. Many are reported to have retained their USN Deck grey beyond the initial first stage reduction of topweight. Did they keep it longer? If not, what color were the decks? How about CAMPBELLTOWN after conversion for the St Nazaire raid? The shape was changed to confuse the Germans, but she was painted Mountbatten Pink. What about the decks, which German aircraft might observe? The 1940-41 era is full of such questions. I'd appreciate any comments, especially quotations form, or directions to specific sources. Aryeh Wetherhorn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: billkaja Subject: USCG Subjects kit list updated My USCG kit list has been updated. The URL is: http://home.earthlink.net/~billkaja/kitlist.htm I've got boats, ships, and aircraft; in production and OOP; modern and period subjects; static and Radio Control models. I've updated the listings, added more pictures, and improved the layout of the list. As always, I welcome comments or suggestions to improve it. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: donald p morgan Subject: CB Alaska I'm a collector of 1/1250 metal scale ship models, and I'm currently hunting for a 1/1250 scale model of the USN Large Cruiser Alaska, by the Delphin Co. Delphin is long gone, but some of their stuff is still around. Can anyone tell me where to find the model I want or, if anyone has such in good condition, please state price. Contact me direct at DONALDPMORGAN@Juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume