Subject: SMML VOL 2072 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14.50:47 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Hornet's Aircraft... 2: U.S. Navy B-47's 3: PT-308 4: Re: EB-47E...Hornet... 5: Re: interesting plans on Ebay 6: Floquil Marine Colors - re-released as part of the Testors Acryl II Marine paints 7: modelers... 8: Re: Hornet's Flight Deck Color 9: Re: HMS Manchester 10: Re: Interesting version of Revell elco on ebay 11: Re: Publication 12: Authentic Models Holland 13: Strange email from WR Press? 14: USS NJ-Modernized 15: Re: B-47 was SMML Questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: SMML site update ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Shane and I would like to wish everyone on the list a very happy Christmas. May you get what you wish for and not just what you deserve and may all the joys of the holiday season be yours at this special time of year. Now raise those glasses, kick back and enjoy it! Merry Christmas Lorna & Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Hornet's Aircraft... TO MGFoster, That early in the War the planes would have Been. F4F Wildcat, SBD was the Douglas Dauntles, not the Helldiver. and the TBD would have been the Douglas Devestator. and as you said + 16 B-25 bombers. Thanks, Rich Sweeney ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Loren Perry Subject: U.S. Navy B-47's From: Brooks Rowlett >> Some people consider aircraft kit building a totally different hobby. But if you want to at least say that you only build 'naval' aircraft, you can get away wtih a B-47, if you can find the right decals.... (tick...tick...tick...waiting for someone to say the B-47 was never operated by anybody except the USAF.... WRONG! Two B-47s were operated by the Navy. Can anyone say by what unit?) << While I don't remember the unit, I was stationed at NAS Oceana (Virginia) as an Aviation Machinists' Mate (ADJ) from 1966 through 1968 and happened to see a Navy B-47 when it stopped by for a few days. I did a double take when I noted the bold "NAVY" on the aft fuselage having built the old Revell USAF kit back in the 1950's as a kid. I believe it was being used to evaluate electronics, either avionics or ground-based NavCom or ECM stuff, or something like that. The thing that made it memorable for me was watching it take off. So help me it used every linear inch of that huge runway to get airborne and even then its rate of climb was no better than a Cessna 150. I really worried for those guys. Loren Perry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Gary Subject: PT-308 Just wanted to pass on these links to a recentley rediscovered WWII vet PT boat that is being campaigned for restoration. Sister ship to the recently restored PT-309. http://www.geocities.com/restorept308/PT308.html http://pub65.ezboard.com/fdelawarebeachdiscussionboardfrm21.showMessage?topicID=3.topic Gary Schurr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Robert Healy" Subject: Re: EB-47E...Hornet... Greeting to All, Purchased my Trumpeter Hornet yesterday from Internet Hobbies. Total cost was about 90.00 USD including domestic shipping. I will just have to see it for myself. There is a nice review on the Internet Modeler (December) website with images. EB-47E: Operated by VAQ-33 and VAQ-34 (Actually they supported these units via the Fleet Electronic Warfare Support Group). They may have even been Douglas build NB-47E's...which thickens the plot. Need to do more research on this one.... My Trivia:Can you name the only foreign operator(for you US types) of the B-47 and what it was used for? To All: Have a safe and happy holiday... hopefully your presents will include alot of plastic and glue and books and goodies. Bob Healy (Still USN...for the duration) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: PaulShip37 Subject: Re: interesting plans on Ebay Yes, some plans are more interesting than others. These particular plans were drawn by the naval architects Gibbs & Cox for the yards that were to build the ships, some were dated in the late 30's/early 40's Rather large they were, too. Most were 30 inches by 10 or 14 feet. Large scales. Interesting amounts of detail. Of course you have to careful, even with "official" Gibbs & Cox plans. The USS Enterprise plans show a 5" mount on the bow where you would expect to see the windlass, its that early on. On a philosophical note, Ebay is much like a global-sized flea market. If you go to flea markets you know that you have to look at a LOT of trash before you find any treasure. If you go to flea markets, you also know that the world is filled with stranger things than you can ever imagine. To some extent Ebay has been an educational tool for me, it has led me to information I scarcely realized existed. I work a late night shift. When I get off work I'm too tired to build models, but not tired enough to sleep, so I troll the nautical sections of Ebay and send along "interesting items seen on Ebay." Ebay is a curious place, frustrating and rewarding. I have been considering a short article for SMML for people who aren't familiar with Ebay.It would be a guide to the more productive "nautical" areas of Ebay. Would any out there be interested in a short "how to "guide to Ebay? Paul Giltz Hi Paul, Sounds like a great idea mate ;-) Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: EDWARD GRUNE Subject: Floquil Marine Colors - re-released as part of the Testors Acryl II Marine paints Bob Steinbrunn posted a response to a question seeking information on the color of the buff used by the Navy around the turn of the century. In his response he lamented the demise of the Floquil line of marine colors (solvent based). Testors, who bought out Floquil, has re-released most of the old Floquil colors in their new Acryl II line of Marine colors (water based). These paints have several ocher-based buff colors ranging from a light peachy buff to a dark golden yellow buff. They also have the old colors like Verdegris, Tallow, and Tar. This product line also has paints matched to the S&S US Navy, DKM, and IJN paint chips. They airbrush and handbrush well. They are available in a couple of hobby shops in my area. If they arn't available at yours - thump the owner on the head and ask him to stock them for you. Merry Christmas to all Ed Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: modelers... this came up on another list (football helmet collectors) when the question came up what other hobbies do the list members have. here was one reply: "I claim to be a plastic model builder. However now I admit to being mostly a kit collector." how many of us have to admit this, too? :-) for myself, I now have so many kits compared to available space, that I no longer have room to build, so must fall into the 'collector' category. s ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Hornet's Flight Deck Color >> HORNET's flight deck was wood, Douglas fir to be precise. It was stained blue, a color called Norfolk 250-N. This was a shade very close to 5-N Navy Blue, which is the darker color used in the camouflage on the hull. If you want to avoid having to mix paints according to Trumpeter's instructions (they reference Gunze Mr. Color paints, which have no correct USN colors), just get Colourcoats enamels. These are accurately matched to USN WW2 colors, and the only mixing you'll need to do will be to shake and stir the paint before applying. We've got all the colors you'll need. << In all fairness to every other paint company out there, this color is also available from other makers, particularly Model Master Acryl #4234 "Flight Deck Grey #20/250N" and I have heard some say the deck shopuld really be #4242 "Flight Deck Stain #21" - but I reccommend 250N as the period correct color. BTW, these are generally available in all finer hobby shops across the USA and other parts of the world. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: David Sepos Subject: Re: HMS Manchester >> David Sepos, Just read your request for the Batch 3 destroyers. Contact me with how many you want. Hobby shop has one for sure and possible three. I will contact them and tell them to hold them for me. They are expensive out here -- $25 -$35 each. Awaiting your reply. << Sorry Gus but it was not my request. I was responding to another SMMLie who wanted one, and was merely informing him of the Squadron December mailer showing a Sheffield on sale. Hopefully, if he still needs one, he'll read your post and be in contact with you. A Very Merry Christmas to all! Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Edd Pflum Subject: Re: Interesting version of Revell elco on ebay Stephen Allen wrote: >> ...but I had no idea that Revell had ever moulded an alternative roll off rack torpedo set for this kit. << Steve, I haven't seen this version for years. It was released some time after the original, and IIRC both versions were available for some. As far as I know, only the tube version has ever been re-issued. Early boats originally fitted with tubes often retained the pads for the tubes wheb the roll off racks were fitted. I don't know it PT-190 was one of these (not that Revell would are, of course,) A PE set, weapons upgrades, later version superstructure and a replacement deck without those @#%$# planks would be nice. A 77-footer and a Higgins would be nice too. Just thinking out loud.... Edd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: GKingzett Subject: Re: Publication Franklyn, the well thought of publication to which you refer is most probably The Nautical Research Journal. I believe the invitation was tendered by a certain well thought of modeler named Bob Steinbrunn. If he isn't frozen or snowbound in central Minnesota, he might tell you how to submit your article. Lacking that, you can climb into your snowmobile and drive up to Camden, Maine and see the editor, David Blanchard, yourself. Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Roger Buckley" Subject: Authentic Models Holland I recently bought a wooden schooner kit off ebay and although all the parts are there the first page of the schematic diagram was missing, and as a newbie I knew I would struggle without it. Long out of production, I wrote to them for help and this morning got a copy of the diagram from their archives in Holland - no charge. Great service I reckon. A great xmas & new year to all ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Steve Sobieralski" Subject: Strange email from WR Press? Today I received an email from "WRPRESSINC" entitled "A funny website" with an attachment. I immediately deleted it as I've never before received email from WR Press and sending a funny website seemed a bit out of character as an inaugerial communication. I suspect a virus and the only connection I can think of that we might have would be through the SMML. Has anyone else recived this? Have I missed a really funny website? Steve Sobieralski Hi Steve, Yup that sure as hell sounds like a virus. Chances are pretty good though that it didn't come from WR Press as most viruses these days disguise where they originated from. Make sure your virus protection is up to date. All the best, Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "pnwa1@excite.com"> Subject: USS NJ-Modernized Hello All, I am in process of preparing to build the Tamiya 1/350 USS New Jersey as she was during the mid to late 80's early 90's. Any suggestions on good ref material, decking and overall layout would be greatly appreciated. Also, does anyone have any experience in replacing molded in details with aftermarket parts and inlaying wood decking representing the teak which was used? Thanks...... Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: Re: B-47 was SMML Questions The answer to the USN unit that flew two B-47s was FEWSG - except I have the book with the picture packed and it may have been under the previous designation. Brooks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mistress Lorna Subject: SMML site update For some holiday reading, you can't go past SMML - particualrly as archives 2067 - 2072 have now been added to the site ;-). Also added are some images of KMN Narvik in the Reference section. Cheers Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume