Subject: SMML VOL 2075 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:53:31 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: seen on ebay 2: Destroyer deck coverings 3: Re: Hornet's Aircraft... 4: Re: USS Chicago CA-29 5: Re: Hornet's Aircraft... 6: Three Questions 7: Re: CV-8 USS Hornet's flight deck 8: Re: Hornet's Aircraft 9: TBN 10: Re: USS NJ-Modernized 11: Re CA-29 and more 12: Re: Northamptons generally 13: Re: USS Chicago 14: Re: TBNs (was Hornet's Aircraft) 15: Paging Duane Fowler 16: New Jersey and CL-52's.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Model Ship Journal For Winter 2002-2003 2: Shane and Lorna's Christmas prezzie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Roger Buckley" Subject: seen on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3103020192&category= tamiya 1/350th Enterprise with buy it now £129.99 about 200 US bucks regards Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Chris and Kayo Amano-Langtree" Subject: Destroyer deck coverings Hi All This is a very difficult area and very great care should be taken in listening to peoples memories of what was applied where. Firstly Semtex, Wundergrip and Corticene were proprietry names for linoleum type products. These could and did come in different colours which were specified by the customer. The customer, for example, could also have woodchip added (but this only appeared internally). Evidence is that most of the brown and green coloured coverings were internal. This does not preclude them being fitted externally but grey was the preferred colour. The reason for this is it was easier to keep clean and didn't show the dirt as much. Green semtex was particularly bad in this respect and so was not popular. Grey semtex and corticene were quite common however Wundergrip dropped out of favour. This was because it was slippery when wet and it was easily cut. Semtex had better wearing qualities but deteriorated more rapidly particularly in contact with oil. Cocunut matting was also employed but absorbed water and added to topweight. Any linoleum fitted externally in wartime would of the blue or grey variety. Other deck coverings were also used, I believe that someone mentioned crude oil being used to coat cruiser decks and I have come across a petrol and black lead mixture which was quite well thought of but only seems to have been applied to one ship. Chris Amano-Langtree ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Graham Boak" Subject: Re: Hornet's Aircraft... From: MGFoster >> But, I double-checked the TBN designation on WP #9, p. 63 [line 4/1942] & it is TBN not TBD (Devastator). So is "TBN" an error, should have had "TBD," or is there an aircraft with the TBN designation? A Torpedo Bomber traiNer? << The final character is the manufacturer. N was the designation for the Naval Aircraft Factory, so a TBN would have been a torpedo bomber produced (not necessarily designed) at the NAF. However, there was no such aircraft. Could it be a mistake for the TBM, an Grumman Avenger (TBF) produced by the Eastern Motors factory during WW2? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Gerry and Jana Radice" Subject: Re: USS Chicago CA-29 I have the Corsair Armada Chicago kit And would be happy to scan the rear half of the kit to help you email me off group at gjradice@bellsouth.net and i'll see what i can do to help have a great day Gerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Hornet's Aircraft... >> But, I double-checked the TBN designation on WP #9, p. 63 [line 4/1942] & it is TBN not TBD (Devastator). So is "TBN" an error, should have had "TBD," or is there an aircraft with the TBN designation? A Torpedo Bomber traiNer? << Actually, a TBN would have been (and was) a Torpedo Bomber, Naval Aircraft Factory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Collins Subject: Three Questions Greetings: Peace and the best Holiday wishes, everyone. First question: To Brooks Rowlet; RE: Navy B-47. Was the B-47 is a Navy paint scheme or bare metal with Navy markings? Second: To John Snyder; RE: Fuel oil over wood decks. So what color was fuel oil slopped over wood decks? Can we expect a color chip? Third: To Falk Pletscher; RE: Vanguard hull and SMS Seydlitz. When will B-Resina have great Vanguard hull recall to which you alluded last summer? You also mentioned that a SMS Seydlitz was in the works for WSW, how is that project coming along? In answer to what I got from Santa: BWN 1/350 USS Balch: Samak 1/700 HMS York; Hasegawa 1/700 IJN Hyuga; Moto-tool accessories; and, a Japanese book of paintings of IJN WWII ships. I wish I could understand the text though. I hope that everyone got the gifts they deserved. John Collins Franklin, TN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Topy Yester" Subject: Re: CV-8 USS Hornet's flight deck Dear Bert and anyone interested in Hornet's flight deck, if you trust WW2 color, please go to: http://www.centurytel.net/midway/Carrier_Squadrons/Torpedo_Eight/t4_4june42.html You can find more pics on the "Midway" homepage on Hornet's VT-8 Squadron, some of them are really useful. As for the TBN: To my best knowledge the first two letters stay for the mission of the plane, hence Torpedo Bomber and the last letter stays for the manufacturer, which would be Naval Aircraft Factory ("D" is Douglas). The problem is, I cannot remmeber any Torpedo Bomber manufactured by NAF. There was a SBN, which was the contract-built Brewster SBA-1. it was the SBD Dauntless' rival in 1941 maybe. Best regards, Zsolt from Hungary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Topy Yester" Subject: Re: Hornet's Aircraft >>... That early in the War the planes would have Been. F4F Wildcat, SBD was the Douglas Dauntles, not the Helldiver.... << Rich, as a matter of fact I think Hornet could have had some early SBC Helldivers on deck while entering service in 1941. I seem to remember, that Hornet changed it's bombers only later. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Best regards, Zsolt from Hungary PS: Wish you all a belated Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Millen, Alan R." Subject: TBN MGF wrote: >> But, I double-checked the TBN designation on WP #9, p. 63 [line 4/1942] & it is TBN not TBD (Devastator). So is "TBN" an error, should have had "TBD," or is there an aircraft with the TBN designation? A Torpedo Bomber traiNer? << Of course, all of my reference materials are at home, and I'm in the office, but I'll take a shot at it. A TBN would have been a torpedo bomber built at the Naval Aircraft Factory. Was there such a bird? N was used as a designator for trainer, but would have been the first letter, as in N3N, a trainer built at the Naval Aircraft Factory. Alan R. Millen Department of Redundancy Department ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: David Wells Subject: Re: USS NJ-Modernized Bob <"pnwa1@excite.com"> wrote: >> I am in process of preparing to build the Tamiya 1/350 USS New Jersey as she was during the mid to late 80's early 90's. Any suggestions on good ref material, decking and overall layout would be greatly appreciated. << The Battleship New Jersey Historical Musueum Society keeps a number of reference photos on line. http://www.bb62museum.org/photos.html David R. Wells Co-Webmaster, battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Bud Link" Subject: Re CA-29 and more Alan McGivern writes: >> Help!, I am presently scratch-building a 1/200 scale USS Chicago from the 1937-38 era. I have been working on it for 8 months. The hull, deck, anchors, capstans and chains, 8" turrets, 5" AA and 4 SOC Seagulls are complete. I recently started on the superstructure. That's where my problems started. << Alan: please contact me off-list. I'm working on a 1/96 CA-27 Chester in late-pre-war configuration. I agree that the aft superstructure is tricky. I may have drawings you do not, or together we might be able to work out the deckhouse. Bud ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Bud Link" Subject: Re: Northamptons generally Can anyone tell me the diameter of the screws on a Northampton-class heavy cruiser? I'm building one in 1/96 scale. Thanks, Bud ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: GKingzett Subject: Re: USS Chicago To Alan McGivern. I have had good luck with plans from both Maryland Silver Company and Floating Drydock. I think I have a pretty good plan of the USS Houston from Floating Drydock. If my memory serves the plan was drawn for modeling so there are details of sections and individual platforms. Unfortunately, I don't have clue where to find my copy right now. If you can't get the info you need easily from these sources, let me know, I will conduct a search. Also, in Norman Friedman's US Cruisers, a Design History, and in Steve Ewing's American Cruisers of World War II, there are a goodly number of photos taken at Mare Island of various Northhamptons during refits early in the war. One photo in both books shows Chicago tied up alongside Tuscaloosa in an elevated shot from astern. It may be exactly what you are looking for. Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: TBNs (was Hornet's Aircraft) >> But, I double-checked the TBN designation on WP #9, p. 63 [line 4/1942] & it is TBN not TBD (Devastator). So is "TBN" an error, should have had "TBD," or is there an aircraft with the TBN designation? A Torpedo Bomber traiNer? << It's a typo. There was no such beast as a TBN. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: John Snyder Subject: Paging Duane Fowler Has anyone heard from Duane recently? It's been about 3 months since we've heard from him, and we're getting a bit worried. Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Ralph Nardone" Subject: New Jersey and CL-52's.... Hello, all..... I hope Santa Claus (or Hanukkah Harry) got everyone what they wanted this year. George Frey asked: >> I need your help, I am considering the Tamiya 1/350 USS New Jersey, however I do not know the configuration is it WWII or later? I want WWII. << The Tamiya New Jersey is in the modernized (circa 1982) guise. If you want the WWII fit, get the Tamiya Missouri. You'll need to do some work depending on what point in WWI you want to depict, but the Missouri is easier to "convert" to a WWII New Jersey. I used the Missouri to build the New Jersey as she appeared in Tokyo Bay at the time of the surrender--I needed to build the tripod mast and add the various doo-dads to it. If you can, find a copy of Paul Stillwell's "Battleship New Jersey"--it is full of lots and lots of pictures and drawings.... Now, if you want a Korean War USS New Jersey, the best bet is to buy BOTH kits. But that's another story for another time.... >> Also Mr. Steve Wiper is the conversion kit for the Iowa from Missouri avaibele yet? You had stated it would be around the end of the year. << Check Tom's Modelworks, they have one listed: http://www.tomsmodelworks.com/ Look under "Conversion kits", then under "1/350 ship conversion kits". Don Wonders added to the B-47 thread: >> Canada was the only other country to operate the B-47. It was used as an engine test bed.. << Yeppers, as the CL-52 for testing the Orenda Iroquois engine to be used the the CF-105 Arrow. At some point I intend to build the CL-52 in 1/144 using the Hobbycraft kit, some styrene tube and styrene sheet and scrap box decals. I know, I know, some of the rest of the gang answered the question as well.....I was just late to the party! :) It seems that the B-47 thread has gained a life of its own... Bob Healy added: >> Too bad old Diefenbaker (?) cut all that stuff up. Ironically, they cut that B-47 up too when it was returned. I read somewhere that it only had a few hundred flight hours on it. To all of you who got it...well done. I kinda expected some of our northern compatriots to zero in on that one... << As I recall, the test program stressed the airframe badly, therefore the airplane (the CL-52, nee B-47) was scrapped. The real impact from the Diefenbaker decision came when a large number of the aero engineers working in Canada moved to the U.S.--one of the people I worked with some years ago told me that he had an uncle who worked on the Avro Arrow and the Avro Jetliner! The loss of all that talent set some of the Canadian aircraft manufacturers back several years.... Cheers! R ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mistress Lorna Subject: But WAIT .... there's more!! Just popped some photos of the USS Olympia up on the SMML site, just what you need if you have the Glencoe kit in your stash and want to do something over the holidays ;-) Cheers Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Model Ship Journal For Winter 2002-2003 After considering many hobby titles, Borders Books & Music in the U.S. has selected Model Ship Journal for their 500 bookstores. You will now be able to obtain Model Ship Journal from any Borders Bookstore, and if it's not in stock, the manager can obtain it for you. MSJ for Winter is at the printer now and will ship in a few weeks. As part of our mainstreaming of Model Ship Journal (and bringing our hobby of building steel navy and engine powered ship models to a wider audience), we've made some changes. Model Ship Journal now publishes with a glossy coated "self cover." This means we can add color pages inside the journal and this is a most welcome change (something I have been wanting to do since beginning this publication 2 1/2 years ago). That's the reason we're a little late this season; our distributor brought good news from Borders Books and the printer advised we could change to color two days before we were set to go to press. We ended up having to revise the entire layout, kept the heavyweight brilliant text paper and the results are stunning! This issue presents models from Chris Koenig (a scale mini R/C version of Revell's Schnellboot in 1/72), The USCGC Sapelo (WPB-1314) scratch built in 1/32 scale by Leslie Regier (Ms. Regier's detailing has to be seen to believed) and a 1/350 model of USS Valley Forge (CG-50) by Keith Bender (he transforms a plastic kit into a work of art). The cover shows a model of NOAA's ship Miller Freeman by Victor the publisher. We also present fine scale models in our new color section, Modeler's Gallery, where we show off the many single photos of fine ship models sent to us by builders all over the globe. Kit reviews run the gamut from Trumpeter's new USS Hornet as a three page in-depth examination of the 1/350 scale kit to the little kits produced by Mirage in 1/400 scale depicting the U-816 and U-149 U-Boats (along with their respective photoetch detailing sets). We also examine two LCVP landing craft kits by Quartermaster in resin and Fonderie Miniature in plastic and tell you which one is the best buy. And for something really different: a boat that's a truck, the WWII "Duck." This nifty, but expensive, DUKW kit was recently released by Italeri in 1/35. We bought one and show you what we found inside the box. There are also two "father-son" columns with Don Spielberger discussing commercially made props for ship models as an adjunct to the "how-to" on prop building by Keith Bender which we ran in a previous issue. Don's dad, Hans Spielberger is an active steam ship modeler and he begins a multi-part essay on steam engines with an outstanding overview of scale steam engine types and a gallery of some of his detailed working scratchbuilt engines. There's a lot more in our Winter issue and you can find out about subscribing by going to www.modelshipjournal.com, via e-mail or phone me toll free at 877-371-0290. Remember, we're always looking for articles, kit and plan reviews, model ship photos and especially how-to articles. Contact me for writer's and photographer's guidlines as well as submission requirements. Remember also that if you can provide photos but don't have the time or inclination to write, we can collaborate! Your work will be shared with and read by dedicated ship modelers around the world. Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL www.modelshipjournal.com e-mail: modelships@earthlink.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "WEM" Subject: Shane and Lorna's Christmas prezzie Well! We seem to have collected quite a nice sum, chaps! Thanks to all the contributors.. and it's not too late if you haven't contributed yet... contact me direct! .... and this is how it will work. We set up an item in Quickbooks PRO called "SMMLie Prezzie", and charge all the contributors' credit cards at the bank exchange rate on a particular day (I have them on a clip right here). Then, after all is charged (we zero the VAT of course), we do a search on the sales value of that "item", and tell S+L how much we have got for them. Of course, we will swallow the charges made by the credit card company, but will not be mailing out receipts/invoices, as printing/postage would then have to reduce the amount made available to our worthy listmeisters. Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas, and Happy New Year to All from the WEM Crew, Caroline, John, Dave, Jackie, Peter, Rumbly and Spot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume