Subject: SMML VOL 2087 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:02:47 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: cockroaches 2: What is B.L. equipment? 3: Re: Bugs! Bugs! Bugs! Bugs! 4: Magazine review World War 2 Feb 2003 edition 5: Making Waves 6: Colour callouts for Tamiya Bismarck 7: Re: HMS York 1941 colours 8: Re: Shell Welder Info 9: Re: Drawings for H.M.S. Bristol 1916 10: Edmund Fitzgerald colors (was Fillet Colors) 11: Re: Cockroaches 12: Re: Ship Plans 13: scanning 14: Re: US Carrier flight decks 15: Re: US Carrier flight decks post-war - tan/brown decks? 16: Re: 1/285th micro-armor 17: Re: Aircraft Canopies=> Re: 1/285th micro-armor 18: Re: Cutty Sark 19: WW 2 Gato sub colors 20: Re: HMS York 1941 colours 21: VITTORIO V Plans 22: Re: Plan Scanning Saga Continues... 23: Re: Colour of Corticene 24: Re: US Carrier flight decks post-war - tan/brown decks? 25: Shell Welder P/E 26: Re: ENTERPRISE Flight Deck 27: Re: cockroaches ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: SMML site update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: York 1941 2: New stock has arrived ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: cockroaches >> Fortunately for me, I never had that problem, as I had several large black snakes living under the porch, which kinda worried this displaced northerner until I was told their diet was predominately cockroaches and rodents... << There is a story, possibly another urban legend about a foreign services officer who returned to the US from a stint in Asia and settled in a major city, only to find his new digs rather infested with cockroaches. His solution was to head to the local pet shop and buy a pair of tokay geckos. He released the geckos in the apartment. They promptly disappeared behind the refrigerator not to be seen again, but sometimes heard at night. About a week later, nary a roach to be found. To those not in the know, a tokay gecko is a reptile native to Asia, about 10-12 in long as an adult, nocturnal, one of the nastier disposed herps around, and possessed of voracious appetites for bugs, and fingers!! Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Doug Wilde Subject: What is B.L. equipment? In 1942 a S.C. radar was to be installed aboard the USS WOLVERINE. The CO of the subject vessel mentions "...other B.L. equipment to be installed thereon." What is meant by "B.L. equipment"? TIA Doug Wilde ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Chuck Messer" Subject: Re: Bugs! Bugs! Bugs! Bugs! I wonder if any manufacturers make roaches in the standard ship scales? Would they be brass or resin, I wonder? ;^) Chuck ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: andrew jones Subject: Magazine review World War 2 Feb 2003 edition here's the contents for this months WW2 magazine WWII today: Airmens remains returned to the US.. C-46 that crashed in 1944 that were found on the crash site were returned to the US in October 2002... Technology TAPS, due to amount of Veterans passing away, at many funerals the DoD is distributing taped versions which were found not to be up to standards as a solo trumpet, so with help from recording studios they are working on a small device to fit inside the bell of the bugle & it will play a rendition of TAPS that is hoped to indisguishable from a liver performance..... French release a Vichy Collaborator, Maurice Papon, a commaner of the Vichy Police for in Bordeaux.. Taps - Stephen Ambrose & Norbert Shultz (composer of Lili Marlene) Commands: 376th Parachute Field Artillery Battalion One Man's war: Vincent N. Goodrich (USS Samuel B. Roberts) Perspectives: Return of the colors.Story of the Colors of the 43rd Recon Squadron, part o fthe 3rd Cavalry Regiment. Captured in 1944 & teh colors ended up in East Germany after the war & gradually made their way back to the US Army in 1954 Personality: Red Cross Rescue from St Nazaire .. SAS Capt Michael R D Foot Panzer Commander's Hussar Ride ..German Sgt Hans Fischer gunner details about encounters with Russian T34 tanks Roosevelt's Ghost Ships...A secret US Navy convoy with 20,000 British Troops 3 famous ocean liners nearly meets its fate at Singapore Massacre at Malmedy..Battle of the Bulge massacre dealing with Fact from Fiction Earl Beck's service on USS Redfish Undercover: The Norden Broadcasts, broadcasts to German U-boats Armament: Silent Destruction: Japanese Balloon Bombs Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Making Waves I've done one waterline model before using artists gel to simulate the water. It didn't come out too bad but it's very runny stuff and hard to form into peaks, bow wakes etc. I keep hearing people talking about sculpey. Does anyone have any ideas where I can get some of this stuff in Australia, or some similar substance? How do other people do their water? Thanks Steve Varhegyi Hi Steve, The Mistress got Sculpey from Lincraft (a fabric store in Sydney). Check out the Snoopy she made from Sculpey in the July, 2001 edition of Internet Modeller (under Archives): http://www.internetmodeler.com Regards, Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Colour callouts for Tamiya Bismarck I dug out my old instructions and as I suspected, back in the days when this kit was first issued Tamiya didn't make the paints. The callout for the hull and superstructure is Dark Sea Gray. After checking out some B/W photos of the Bismarck in the Schiffer book "Battleship Bismarck" (taken from the Prinz Eugen on the day HMS Hood was sunk), I decided the paint looked pretty dark so I used Humbrol 106 Ocean Gray. Judging by these photos there are some other interesting things you should know. The top of the funnell was a lighter shade, possibly even white but more likely the original lighter gray, also the tops of the search light platform covers. The camouflage stripes on the sides and superstructure had been painted over but were starting to show through on the sides of the hull. The swastikas on the decks and aerial recognition marks on turrets had been painted over. This is also verified in the official Bismarck diary of radio communications as being ordered. You can check this out at www.kbismarck.com online archive. Also it appears that the stern wake and false stern had been overpainted, whilst the false bown and wake remained. Obviously this is the last colour scheme of Schlachtshiff Bismarck and there were others. Hope this helps. Steve Varhegyi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Lars Scharff" Subject: Re: HMS York 1941 colours Hi, John Clements wrote: >> My starting guess would be that the light shade is AP507C, but am less sure whether the darker shade is A or B. << Alan Raven does not mentioned the colours in 'Camouflage Vol 1: Royal Navy 1939-41. The scheme is included (p. 12) showing some small differences between port and starboard. He only refers to the scheme of Devonshire in 1940 and there are also only dark and light grey mentioned. According to 'Profile Morkie 3 HMS York' the colours are dark (Humbrol 67) and light grey (Humbrol 64). This suggests, that the colours are AP507A and AP507C. I know only one picture showing this contrast (PM3, p. 5), most pictures suggest a slighter contrast (AP507B and AP507C) but showing perhaps signs of wearing. Best regards Lars Scharff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Starline / Fleetline Subject: Re: Shell Welder Info Hi Jim, Who, what ,where on the PE? Also Bill, Will find & scan & e-mail the offending item in the next day or so. Kevin FLEETLINE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Sanartjam Subject: Re: Drawings for H.M.S. Bristol 1916 Hi, For what it's worth, there's a small-scale profile drawing of the Bristol in 1919 in Raven & Roberts' "British Cruisers of World War II." I assume that large-scale (VERY large scale) drawings of her, most likely "as-fitted" ones, would be available from the National Maritime Museum at Woolwich Arsenal, for a hefty fee. I wish someone would make a 1/700 kit of the Bristol or one of her class!!! The Glasgow, present at Coronel, the Falklands, and the end of the Dresden, had an extraordinary career. Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: EDWARD GRUNE Subject: Edmund Fitzgerald colors (was Fillet Colors) Allan Jackman wrote (in part) >> I am writing for a friend, who is building a 6 foot model of the EDMUND FITZGERALD, which sank on November 10, 1975. There are two questions. 1) He needs the paint descriptions (Model Paint Manufacturers and No.) for the Hull, Spar Deck. Forward House Decks, After Decks, Lifeboats, Stack Colors, Boot Strap, Cabin Colors, etc. << Iron Shipwight makes both a 1:350 scale and a 1:700 scale model of the Edmund Fitzgerald. There is a scan of the 1:700 scale kit's instructions on the ISW website. The instructions have painting directions. See the scan of the instructions at: http://www.steelnavy.com/images/scans/Edmund02.jpg Ed Mansfield, TX Hi Allan, You can also see a build of the ISW 1/350 Edmund Fitzgerald by Michael Taylor on the SMML site under articles: http://smmlonline.com Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: Cockroaches To: Urudofsky I rise to take issue with you that sloppy housekeeping etc. are responsible for cockroaches on board ship. As you point out, they have been around for a long time. If the solution were as simple as you imply, I'm sure the navies of the world, especially since the advent of steel ships and powerful insecticides, would have developed effective ACW (Anti-Cockroach Warfare) procedures by now. No, I'm afraid the solution is not that easy. Now if you want to make your fortune, find an easy and inexpensive way to rid ships of a bane of their existence. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: CokerRE Subject: Re: Ship Plans For excellent plans of most Italian ships and their fittings and armament try the Ship Model Club of Bologna's web site at: http://www.anb-online.org/Base_GB.htm PC Coker/Charleston ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SPYDER62 Subject: scanning >> FOR $29 A SHEET! Holy crap, the whole set of Yorktown plans (6 sheets) from Taubman was only $45 Guess I'm back to the section scanning using my flatbed idea. << Devin Try a blueprinter or engineering office. We have a scanner and printer in our office that will scan up to 42 inch's wide and any length. I'm at the wrong coast be do it for ya. good luck rich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: NAVYDAZE Subject: Re: US Carrier flight decks I think to add more confusion to the issued of the color of Enterprises Flight deck, early in her career there was a great painting (still available I think) on the cover of the U.S. Naval Institute Procedings of a painting by Carl Evers with a tan/brown flight deck. BUT the deck is steel and the color was a dark gray, not totally black - with white markings. Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE - Naval & Aviation Artist ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: Re: US Carrier flight decks post-war - tan/brown decks? Yes, the supercarriers were built with HT steel decks (more than thick enough to support weight, thick enough to act as armor, but not face-hardened armor of vertical plate -horizontal plate should be homogeneous steel, not face-hardened). Refitted ESSEX class ships also received steel decks. That said, photos of supercarriers through the early 60s do indeed show a tan deck with a dark grey or black (non-skid?) landing area through the fore end of the angle. I think the old Aurora FORRESTAL class kits even include this in their painting instructions. Also, photos of carriers with the dark nonskid overall on the flight deck often seem to have a strong purplish cast as seen in books. I am not sure what causes this - but I took photos on the flight deck of CARL VINSON in 1983 and the very obvious all non-skid deck that appeared blue-black to my eyes, and I was very surprised when my prints came out with a strong magenta tint, exactly like the pictures in the books. Brooks A Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: Re: 1/285th micro-armor >> The first two companies are in the U.S. and are of high to outstanding quality. GHQ (www.ghqmodels.com) has higher detail and are slightly larger than CinC/Pfc. GHQ's price averages $9.00 per pack of 5 vehicles, CinC/Pfc is 30% to 50% cheaper depending on the article (CinC/Pfc is NOT on the internet) << 1_ GHQ has detail but sometimes there are accuracy problems. I have documented several errors in their 1/2400 WWII ships (there are a handful of cases where the model is not even the ship they say it is), and some people on micro-armor lists have commented that there are some examples of this in the armor, too - a miniature is listed as one variant when in fact it is another. 2) CinC/Pfc IS now on the internet. http://www.pfc-cinc.shoppingcartsplus.com/page/page/292434.htm Brooks A Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: rickl454 Subject: Re: Aircraft Canopies=> Re: 1/285th micro-armor This is a question to Mike Linson: Is CinC back in business? Do you have a current address or web address? I have been collecting micro-armor since the early 1970's and found CinC to be an excellent compliment to GHQ. CinC always seemed to come out with the esoteric peices that GHQ neglected: SAM-2 launcher and associated radars, SS-20 Mobile IRBM to name two.. CinC peices were are a bit (not much) less detailed than GHQ but were a lot more durable especially when dropped on the cement basement floor. The company disappeared a few years ago and it would be great to be able to get some of their stuff again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: spallen@fidnet.com Subject: Re: Cutty Sark >> I'm thinking about building a Cutty Sark in plastic. Revell 1/96 (OOP?) Revell 1/146, $20 I'm looking for something bigger than 1/350 scale, and less than 1/96. Can anyone comment on the quality/features of any of the others on my list? (I assume the Smer kit, at only $8, must be a real dog.) I'm interested in fit, level of detail, sails, and ratlines. << Bill, I've built both the Revell kits that I copied into this reply. I like the 1/96, but you don't want one that big, and it IS big. The next one, which is approx. 2' long, is a fairly good kit. It's been a lot of years, and the ship is long gone, but I remember being very pleased with it at the time. The sails were plastic then; whether that's still true I do not know. The ratlines were hard styrene "mesh" and therefore clunky, so, if that's still true, you may want to replace them. Rigging will be harder than on the 1/96 but less extensive (unless you are a masochist and decide to duplicate ALL the running rigging). YMMV. Steve Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "robert patmore" Subject: WW 2 Gato sub colors I am doing a Gato class submarine model in Measure 32/3SS-B "Dark Gray Job" scheme. In my research vertical surfaces are light gray, medium gray,dark gray, and black. My question is what is the light gray supposed to be? Maybe 5L light gray or 5H haze gray or another? Bob Patmore ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: HMS York 1941 colours Hi John, YORK was in a pattern using AP 507A and AP 507C, with AP 507A steel decks. Until recently, I would have said the teak decks were unpainted. However, having discovered that there was a practice--apparently fairly widespread--for RN cruisers in the Med to swab their wood decks with fuel oil to darken them.... The pattern was slightly different port and starboard, but both sides are pictured in "RN Camouflage Vol.1, 1939-1941", from WR Press (which we have in stock). Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Dafuelmann Subject: VITTORIO V Plans Axis & Netural Battleships, ISBN 0-87021-101-3 has several pages of plans for this ship. I got mine used thru bookfinder.com, suggest you try there first. I'm heading out of town for a month or so or I'd offer to send you a copy. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: SteveWiper Subject: Re: Plan Scanning Saga Continues... Devin, Get out your phone book and look for a blue print and architectural drawing copy service bureau. You want to ask for a black line copy, not a blue print copy. They will know what you are asking for. Most of these charge about $.35 per sq. ft. at same size and about $1.50 sq. ft. for reductions or enlargements. I live in a city of about 600,000 and we have 5 such places. The entire 6 sheet set should run about $60.00 reduced to 1/350. You may not need all 6 sheets reduced, so that would help lower the cost even more. Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: HGYL Subject: Re: Colour of Corticene I have to agree with Alan Raven about the colour of Corticene. When I was a very young trainee in the late 50s and early 60s most of the Chief POs had seen service in the RN before and during WW II. Corticene was by the 50s a thing of the past but it was still referred to in books such as "A Seaman's Handbook" and the "Admiralty Manual of Seamanship". When asked about what exactly was Corticene the response from the CPOs was always "a kind of brown linoleum that was an absolute bxxxxxx to keep clean" Happy New Year and regards to all, Harold Lincoln ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Ricjus001 Subject: Re: US Carrier flight decks post-war - tan/brown decks? >> All new, large US carriers since the Essex Class have had steel flight decks. The picture you have must show some temporary repair. << Even the Midway, Coral Sea and FDR? I thought they had wood decks. Justin D Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: MrkLeonard Subject: Shell Welder P/E There's P/E for the Shell Welder? who has it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: ENTERPRISE Flight Deck I've looked into this before and there is surprisingly little info on the topic. USS ENTERPRISE had a tan flight deck for a short while after launch and during sea trials, as shown in at least one Nat Geo. article. It was painted non skid and seems to have been an experiment. At least one of the FORRESTALs also had tan non skid applied for a very short while in '60/'61. I wish I knew more, but haven't been able to locate the correct records. The link takes you to a photo, although the age and angle of the shot doesn't show it as well as the NG mag photo. There is also an issue of NG with Operation sea orbit on the front cover and this shows USS BAINBRIDGE with a tan deck on the forward section of bow, did you ever see that John? By this time, 1964, CVAN-65 had a dark grey deck. http://www.ussenterprisecvan-65.com/Photos/sea_trial_1.jpg HTH Darren Scannell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: cockroaches An interesting aside, cockroaches are one of the cleanest creatures around and prefer living in clean places. Unfortunately, that's not where the food is! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mistress Lorna Subject: SMML site update Welcome Steve Varhegyi to both the list and the site - we've got some of Steve's models in the Mainbrace section of the SMML site. Bill Michaels gives us a review of Minicraft's USCGC Eagle while the Emden is added to the Reference page. SMML Volumes 2075-2087 have been added to the archives NOW: Most people have had holidays recently. I want to see your models! I need some inspiration/motivation! I cleaned off my modelling desktop day before yesterday AND sorted out the "working on" models. More modelling activity than I've managed for a while, the system can't handle it. So before I lose momemtum ..... send me your reviews or photos of your models finished or in progress. The more I see other people's work, the more I am inspired to do something myself. C'mon guys, help me FINISH something!!! - Who knows maybe Shane might actually finish something as well Cheers Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: York 1941 You need Volume One Camouflage R/N WW11 in the Warship Perspectives series. Available from Retailers and on-line dealers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SANDLE Hobbies Subject: New stock has arrived Our order has arrived from Airfix and in it are the SRN4, E-Boat and the HMS Tiger/HMS Daring kits. Both the Tiger and the Daring give a nice base for a lot of other ships if you're feeling like a bit of conversion work or just build them as is with perhaps the WEM Ultimate Modern Royal Navy Set 1 and 2 to really tart them up. If you're feeling like building naval aircraft instead, Model Alliance have rereleased their 1/72 Grumman Tracker conversion set complete with decals. It is now better than ever and dresses up the Hasegawa kit very nicely indeed. Regards, Lorna Jenkins SANDLE Hobbies http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume