Subject: SMML VOL 2099 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:52:49 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Welcome Jim Bloom - Ready-Mades 2: Reuben James - How Close to Aaron Ward at Pearl 12/7/41? 3: Abercrombie 4: Re: REUBEN JAMES/Norfolk 250-N 5: Re: Propeller diameter 6: Re: Passing History 7: fires 8: Re: Golwand & Gowland/Revell "Ships in Miniature" 9: Re: African Queen 10: Re: Bush fires... 11: Re: Passing History 12: The Holland Project - Author Responds 13: Color Verification 14: St Nazaire Colour schemes ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Welcome Jim Bloom - Ready-Mades Jim Welcome to the list - thanks for your insights on what turned you onto modeling. My first model was a Viking Long Ship (don't recall who made it) in the late '50s, about the time of the movie The Viking (which my aunt and uncle took me to see when I was but a tad). Fortunately, it did NOT survive (I was much younger than you when I started - about 2nd grade). As far as ready-mades, I know there are some modelers here on the list who do that - if you want a specific ship modeled, ask around. Not me - I'm not ready for prime-time (it's been 20 years since I won my sole IPMS Nationals award, and I'm just starting to get back into "shape"), but there are good modelers here. So ask. And welcome Ned ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Reuben James - How Close to Aaron Ward at Pearl 12/7/41? On the WEM re-stock - how close is the Reuben James to the Aaron Ward in it's 12/7/41 Pearl Harbor configuration? Ned Barnett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "David and Alison Muir" Subject: Abercrombie Can anyone guide me to a source for a book called 'Brytyjski Monitor HMS Abercrombie, Part1' (and any other parts!) in the Profile Morskie series. Any help would be appreciated... David M in Oz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: wem Subject: Re: REUBEN JAMES/Norfolk 250-N >> What configuration is this kit in? Is it classic interwar 4-piper standard, or is it the escort mod, which RJ's squadron had undergone before she was sunk? << Hi Brooks: As lost. >> Or just buy the bottle of #20/250N Flight Deck Blue << "#20/250N"?? There was no such designation. "Flight Deck Blue"? Try Flight Deck Stain. Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: Propeller diameter HI SMMLies, For the person looking for prop dim. on the Northampton class CA's. Northampton and Portland class cruisers had four 3 bladed props. They were 12 ft dia. The hub dia. at the base where it meets the shaft strut is 30" dia. The shaft dia. is 18.125 ". This inf. came from micro film at the National Archives. Hope this helps, KTB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Steve Singlar Subject: Re: Passing History >> It is a sad day for ship lovers in Massachusetts -- the famous Fore River Shipyard (also known as Bethlehem Quincy), which had been mothballed for many years, was sold yesterday to a local automobile dealer to be forever liquidated as a shipbuilding facility. ................................... << According to the folks aboard the Salem, the part of the shipyard that was sold, does mot include the MWRA section, which include the pier whaere Salem is berthed. That area is still up for auction. Also the "eviction" of Salem is only so many words for now. A couple of groups have expressed interest in having Salem if indeed she is ever evicted. Salem is still opened to the public and despite the extreme cold Saturday, we had a good turn out of visitors. The Newport News and St. Paul associations are expanding their memorial rooms aboard the Salem. Steve Pelham, NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: fires I truly hope all our friends down under are safe from the large fires that are featured on our evening news broadcasts. Wildfire can be horrendous. Good luck to all. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL (retired from 32 years fire fighting) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Loren Perry Subject: Re: Golwand & Gowland/Revell "Ships in Miniature" >> I just subscribed to the list. I started making plastic ship models in seventh grade -- 1952 and remember starting out with the Golden Hind by a company called "Gowland & Gowland". I believe that they were distributed by Revell, who eventually took over production. As I recall, the models were waterline, to a scale roughly approximating 1:220 (they were only about five or six inches long at most). They were all molded in a soapy off-white "high impact polysterene" and set in a sea base with a little nest for the hull. I had a devil of a time with the Golden Hind's intricate paint scheme -- I think maybe there were decals for the transom. I eventually made all the models in the series, which included, the Bon Homme Richard, the Constitution, the Savannah, Flying Cloud and a grand banks fishing schooner, Gerty Thebaud among others. Though the paint/glue spills bothered my Mom, the models only took up a small space on my bookshelves. The redeeming grace was that the models turned me on to history, as I went to the library and read every book I could about the histories of the ships and their commanders. Does anyone here remember these little models? << Yes, I remember them and also built some of them as a kid in the 1950's. You've described them perfectly. I don't recall if it was these kits or another brand, but I seem to remember printed acetate ratlines also included with fine black ink ratlines printed on thin clear plastic strips. Nonetheless, the G&G kits were little gems in my then-young eyes. Loren Perry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Clive Lawford" Subject: Re: African Queen Hi Ned, Here is a link to the Billings model of the African Queen http://www.bestrc.com/billingboats/bilb1408.html#588. Best regards, Clive. Please visit my homepages: (note new addresses) 44ft Motor Lifeboats (Waveney Class) Including a model page http://home.online.no/~lawford/xrl/xrl.htm Ramsgate Lifeboat http://home.online.no/~lawford/rl/rl.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Chris Hughes" Subject: Re: Bush fires... A quick message of support to all our Aussie mates. I've just had a very graphic, harrowing email from a friend in Canberra. Having visited and seen the places we're seeing on the news here in the UK, her email was only too real to me. Stay safe and don't take chances, property can be replaced, lives can't. Chris Hughes ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SteveWiper Subject: Re: Passing History >> The workers at Fore River/Quincy Bethlehem built some of the most famous warships in US Navy history. These vessels include: USS NEVADA (BB-36), USS MASSACHUSETTS (BB-59), USS LEXINGTON (CV-2), USS WASP (CV-7), USS LEXINGTON (CV-16), USS BUNKER HILL (CV-17), USS HANCOCK (CV-19), USS NORTHAMPTON (CA-26), USS PORTLAND (CA-33), USS QUINCY (CA-39), and USS VINCENNES (CA-44). The shipyard also launched light cruisers, destroyers and smaller vessels for the US war effort as well. << Ah, John, you forgot the USS Salem CA-139, which is at the yard now as a museum, future questionable? I hope the ship survives all the ego battles going on around it. Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: GWMcCue Subject: The Holland Project - Author Responds It has come to my attention that there have been several postings about the Holland Project recently. The production of the CD was sponsored by Dr. Ed Popko of IBM, but most of the work was done by me (Gary McCue). The CD contains the full contents of my John Holland website as it existed last June, plus images, videos and text concerning the 3D computer model of the USS Holland that I created using the CATIA, ENOVIA and DELMIA software products. IBM's interest in this project was to promote additional sales of the CATIA, ENOVIA and DELMIA software. My interest is historical plus the challenge of learning new skills. Ed has agreed to continue mailing CDs to anyone who would like one - as long as the supply lasts. The supply is getting low, but we are hard at work updating the master in preparation for making more. If you have an interest in late 19th century submarines, please visit my website at: www.geocities.com/gwmccue ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: pnwa1 Subject: Color Verification Hello all... Can anyone verify for certain what the colors were that the USS New Jersey was painted in during the 80's and the FS-595 designation? Thanks Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: St Nazaire Colour schemes Hi All There was a posting a week or so ago asking about the scheme applied to Campbeltown at the time of the St Nazaire raid. It set me re-reading 'The Greatest Raid of All' by Lucas Philips and dusting off the old Airfix Campbeltown. However, I was struck by a couple of things when it came to the colour schemes of the vessels involved in the raid. In chapter 10 of his book Lucas Philips stated that the MLs on the raid were painted Mountbatten Pink (also described as Plymouth Pink) after experience gained in Exercise 'Vivid'. That would be on and after 23rd March 1942. He then goes on to say that Campbeltown, newly disguised as a Mowe class Torpedoboot, arrived from Devonport on the 25th. Unfortunately he does not state whether Campbeltown was similarly painted. Obviously, the other main reference for this is Al Ross' Anatomy of the Ship book, 'Campbeltown'. Excellent reference though this is, there is no information pertaining to Campbeltown's colour scheme on Operation Chariot in the painting reference. From the few available photographs - which include those in After the Battle Magazine's piece on the raid - the scheme is clearly a fairly dark, plain colour. Can anyone say whether the Campbeltown was finished in Mountbatten Pink? It seems to my mind likely that she was not. Logic would suggest that a re-paint would not have been undertaken on this larger, expendable vessel so late in the operation. She would certainly have needed some touching up after the conversion (if she will forgive the phrase), but that seems likely to have occurred before the decision to re-paint the ML's. This is opinion, not fact. I hope that one of you may have puzzled over this one before and that you may shed some light on the matter. Many thanks Dan Taylor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume