Subject: SMML VOL 2112 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 20:02:03 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: back to something old Paint stripping 2: Prinz Eugen Paint Scheme 3: Re: Tamiya Prinz Eugen question 4: Helicopter Landing Spots 5: Nanuchka 1 Poseidon 1/150 6: Ticonderoga hawser ports 7: Re: Prinz Eugen 8: James Cameron's Bismarck Documentary 9: Re: Nicknames 10: Re: New kits 11: New kits - Hasegawa Kongo/Kirishima not DDG 12: Re: Tamiya Prinz Eugen question 13: Good Hobby Shops in San Francisco 14: Anchor Trivia 15: Knots -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WEM News 2: KGV 1/600 P/E for sale or trade ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Don Macdonald" Subject: back to something old Paint stripping Hey I wanted to pass along some more old information, paint stripping, I learn something new agin, OK a few weeks ago we were talking about useing 409 for stripping paint, Well I use it tonight on a body that had scale coat paint on it, I use a new bottle of 409 on the body, Not all of it but a little with the spray bottle that comes with it. Well not thinking it would work as fast as it did, It work grate, Had to do some scrubbing with a old tooth brush, and a little tougher one, Had to soak it done alot but it work out grate, So I say thank you all of you, Some of our advice work s agin for this old Portland Rustbucket ;-) you all keep up the good work, Don That Portland Rustbucket ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Prinz Eugen Paint Scheme There are some very good shots in the Schiffer Book "Battleship Bismarck" also you might try this website where there are some good pictures, artwork of the major ships involved in the Bismarck action, including the Prinz. www.kbismarck.com/peugen.html The swastikas were present on the Prinz Eugen but were not done at right angles to the decking as on the Bismarck but were shown on an angle like on the German flag. They were also inside a white circular background and were thicker than those on the bismarck. If I were going to show these on my model I'd probably get hold of some swastika aircraft decals. I used some on my 1:700 Scharnhorst and luckily they were exactly the right size. Pictures taken over the bow of Prinz Eugen during the Bismarck action definitely show that they were either covered over or painted over. This has always been an area of controversy for modellers. After studying all the available pictures taken over the bow of the Prinz during the operation, quite frankly I'm confused. In some photos it looks like they were painted over, whilst in one particular shot taken in broad daylight in calm waters, that they were covered with tarpaulins. Probably what happened was that they used tarpaulins when going to or being in the fjords but during the repaint they were painted over. It's recorded somewhere in the bismarck communication diary, which I think is on the website I mentioned, that orders came through for the two ships to be painted overall in a dark gray colour. Some people have argued that the hull was a slightly darker gray, but studying pictures of the bismarck during and after the HMS Hood encounter it's hard to decide but looks to me to be the same colour. One interesting point about the Bismarck colour scheme in the pictures is that the searchlight covers appear to be a much lighter colour. Possibly due to access problems when painting in the fjord. The striped camouflage was painted over on both ships but was still visible under the dark gray paint scheme of the hull. See the artwork on the kbismarck site. Some earlier colour pictures of Prinz Eugen also show her with crimson coloured turret tops however my belief is that these were painted over during exercise Rhine. I'll probably get linched for saying all this, as it conflicts with so much that other people have said. They're really my best guesses after many hours of studying photos and in the absence of anything more concrete. Hope this helps Steve Varhegyi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: wem Subject: Re: Tamiya Prinz Eugen question >> Question 3: About the camouflage. What should I do when painting the rear or front of structures??? In other words, the painting plans show only the ship seen from above or profile...no rear or front views are shown. How should I paint the camouflage scheme??? << Hi Filipe, According to Steve Wiper in his latest book on PRINZ EUGEN, she did not wear the camouflage scheme shown in the Tamiya instructions during Operation Rheinubung. In fact, PRINZ EUGEN repainted in the same fashion as BISMARCK: Hellgrau 50 upperworks, and Dunkelgrau 51 hull. Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Peter Chant" Subject: Helicopter Landing Spots I have a question regarding USN Destroyers and Cruisers of the 70's to 90's period, that did not have full helicopter facilities. They all seem to have helicopter landing / vertrep spots marked out in white both fwd and aft, but the deck within the lines seems to be a lot lighter. Was it painted differently from the main decks, or am I just seeing heavier wear in those areas? Regards Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: RDemeyere Subject: Nanuchka 1 Poseidon 1/150 I am interested in purchasing a copy of the Poseidon 1/150 Nanuchka 1 as reviewed on the SMML website. However, the reviewer obtained his kit in Norway and I live in Virginia USA. Does anyone know of an Internet source for this Eastern European (?) kit. Thanks, Russ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Ticonderoga hawser ports A fellow SMMLie wrote: >> Anyway, some ships have doors that swing over them and block incoming water, but the Tico's I've seen don't appear to be fitted like that, so if you want to be accurate, then open them up. << You sure of that--that they don't have hatches that swing closed? I know the holes are relatively small, but I can't imagine the bow having an opening, no matter how small. It seems to me it would compromise the watertight integrity of the ship, especially in rough weather or rough seas. Any other opinions??? Rod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen >> Question 1: Did "he" have a swastika cross painted on "his" deck, like Bismarck had? << First, I'd still refer to Prinz Eugen as she, but a hard call I guess. In German I'd say die "Prinz Eugen" or die "Bismarck" (die - pronounced dee - being the female article). Well anyway, as for the swastikas there has been a lot of discussions about when they were painted on. When you look at the pictures of Bismarck when Ballard found her, you can see the swastika, I have pictures that show her during the days in the North Atlantic, that don't show markings. Most likely the swastikas were only visible while under Luftwaffe cover. Once out of range, they were probably painted over. That coat was slowly erased while lying on the bottom of the ocean. Same would be true for Prinz Eugen. I have pictures that show her without the markings while in the Atlantic. If you want to be very accurate, while in the Atlantic, a white line was painted in parallel to the rail, while railings were removed. >> Question 3: About the camouflage. What should I do when painting the rear or front of structures??? In other words, the painting plans show only the ship seen from above or profile...no rear or front views are shown. How should I paint the camouflage scheme??? << When you say camouflage, you mean the white-black and gray scheme. As far as I remember, that was the Baltic scheme. If you are doing that, then I'd estimate, that you'd also have the swastikas visible. Cheers Werner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "David Harris" Subject: James Cameron's Bismarck Documentary Have just seen a trailer for this & it is scheduled for broadcast on the Discovery Channel in the UK @ 8 PM on Sunday 16th February. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Daniel" Subject: Re: Nicknames >> I don't know if you are interested in civilian names... but the Himalaya was known as "the Poofter Chook". << OK, there's got to be some interesting meaning behind that one . Something obscurely Australian? ddk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: FBustelo Subject: Re: New kits Lars, Thanks for the info - some very interesting kits coming out in 1/350 scale. Was there any annoucements in other scales, such as 1/400 and 1/600? Thanks, Felix Bustelo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Gernot Hassenpflug Subject: New kits - Hasegawa Kongo/Kirishima not DDG >> Which is the source of the JMSDF DDG Kongo-class kits of Hasegawa? << The DDGs are by Pitroad (Kongo, Kirishima, Chokai, Myoko), Hasegawa does the same named ships, but they are the WW2 configuration battlecruisers. IIRC, Hasegawa has the most accurate ones (don't bother with Fujimi). There are new PE sets out for the DDGs from Pitroad and Joe World, I can't remember if any newer PE sets are available for the BCs since the GMM and TMW sets from a couple of years ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Sab1156 Subject: Re: Tamiya Prinz Eugen question Dear Filipe, I know from my uncle, who served in the Kriegsmarine, that on the most ships the 2cm magazines were put into the guns as soon as the ship left the harbour. Detlef Hartwig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SeaPhoto Subject: Good Hobby Shops in San Francisco For those interested in Ship Models, the best would be Franciscan Hobbies out on Ocean Avenue. Nice selection of ship models and fittings, as well as Classic Warship books and more references. Well worth a visit. Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography www.warshipphotos.com Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway www.warshipmodelsunderway.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Kelvin Mok Subject: Anchor Trivia This was posted in rec.models.scale >>> I'm building the Lindberg "captain kidd". I notice they don't include anchor chains, but show them attached by rope-line. Ships of that era didn't use rope cable for their anchors, did they? << Yep; that's why it's called the anchor cable even today. Hemp rope sinks, and when it's large diameter, it soaks up enough water to hold the cable to the bottom and anchor the ship. (Trivia: It's the weight of the cable that holds the ship steady; the hooky bit on the end is just to keep the end of the cable in the same place it was dropped.) <<< I am no boater but always had that "doesn't feel quite right" feeling about anchors. Lets say I am on a cabin cruiser. All I have to do is to go to the bow and pull up the anchor. So how does something that is so easy to remove hold down (anchor) a big heavy boat? The above post makes a lot of sense. That said how long a rope should one have on an anchor? If too long it swings all over the anchorage and gets in the way of other anchored boats. If too short then it won't hold the boat or may even be lifted off by the tide. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Knots Help, please. I recently received an e-mail from a lad whose e-mail return address is: dantracht_1999@1.americanexpress.com requesting a clarification of the term "knot". When I responded, I was notified that the server was unable to deliver the e-mail. I had used his "return address", so there was no typing error on my part. I suspect he may have gotten my name through good old SMML. Can any one please advise me of this fellow's valid e-mail address? I hate to see this essay go to waste. Thanks. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: WEM News Hi All, Something old, something new.... Starting with the new first: In response to customer requests, we are pleased to announce PE 3549 and PE 753, USN .50 caliber water-cooled single machine guns. Each fret contains 20 guns with their bicycle handlebar-type grips. PE 3549 is priced at £3.36, and PE 753 at £2.12 (both prices ex-VAT; UK/EU customers add 17.5% VAT). And, for something old, restocks NOW AVAILABLE for: K706, 1/700 HMS SHEFFIELD 1941, Southampton Class Cruiser,£46.77 (£54.95 UK/EU) K716, 1/700 HMS SUSSEX 1942, WW2 County Class (3-colour camo scheme!), £52.72 (£61.95 UK/EU) K717, 1/700 HMS WARSPITE 1942, Battleship, £54.00 (£63.45 UK/EU) PRO 7028, 1/700 Twin 40mm Bofors x 4 (use PE 735 for photoetched extras), £2.95 (£3.45 UK/EU) PRO 7029, 1/700 Quad 40mm Bofors x3 (use PE 735 for photoetched extras), £2.95 (£3.45 UK/EU) AS7141, 1/700 AV8B/GR5 Harrier x 5, £2.95 (£3.45 UK/EU) AS7168, 1/700 Vought OS2U Kingfisher x 3, £2.95 (£3.45 UK/EU) EXPECTED SHORTLY: AS7061, 1/700 Curtiss Seagull x 3, £2.95 (£3.45 UK/EU) Supplies are/will be limited on the restock items, so don't hesitate too long. Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: MrkLeonard@aol.com Subject: KGV 1/600 P/E for sale or trade Due to an unfortunate misunderstanding between good-intentioned relatives, I have an EXTRA set of WEM's photo-etch set for the Airfix 1/600 KGV. I'll sell it for $20, but I'd much rather trade for something. Anybody interested? Regards, Mark Leonard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume