Subject: SMML VOL 2119 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:23:58 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: HMS Havant 2: Re: Prinz Eugen-German 101 3: Re: Prinz Eugen - Naval German 101 4: Re: PT73 5: Re: 1/350 grate source 6: Items of interest on eBay 7: Aztek airbrushes 8: Re: German Language - myth? 9: German Language 10: Re: Prinz Eugen Question 11: Re: New releases in Japan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: m.f.mclaughlin Subject: Re: HMS Havant Hi John, There is a photo of HMS Havant in Warship Profile # 20 which was dated May 31, 1940 and shows her with a full load of troops from bow to stern, arriving at Dover from Dunkirk. She appears to be in a badly worn dark hull and light upper works scheme. She is wearing the markings of the 9th flotilla which are one black band over two white bands. She has no DCT and her pennant number H 32 is nearly worn off on the port side. Regards, Miles F. McLaughlin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen-German 101 >> What you are saying is true of "correct" German Grammar. However, there is still the fact that the crew of Bismarck did call their ship, "Der Bismarck". Per Admiral Lujgens saying Bismarck was too big to be a Lady, or "die". I have many relatives and friends living in Germany who still get their grammmar wrong.But in this case, there was a reason for the article change with Bismarck. << Hey Dan, could you send me your source for the use of "der" with Bismarck. I checked my books yesterday, particularily "Prinz Eugen im ersten Gefecht" written by Fritz Otto Busch. It was published in 1944 (second edition). Fritz Busch served on Prinz Eugen during Operation Rheinuebung. He exclusively refers to the ship as die Bismarck. As i am sure that Goebels ministry made sure that right phrasings were used (and as stated it would be not the correct grammar) I would guess, that your story might be a myth (or as Ulrich stated a gramatical form due to declinations). You never know though, so if you have any sources, that would be interesting. For general use (and certainly in the new millenium) you can safely use "die" Bismarck. Cheers Werner PS: As this might not interest everyone for much longer, you can also contact me offline at wbaumbach@yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "bert" Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen - Naval German 101 I have not been able to get any messages from 07/02 until this evening at 9pm 11th I stand corrected, My excuse is threefold, that I learned my german over 60 years ago, It is not my native tongue and I have not spoken it for over twenty years, I did remember though, that like all language there are exceptions to the rule, and I remembered Fraulein was one. anyway judging by the 2118 it has sparked quite a discussion. This however will be my last venture into "Foreign" to me language, I will resort to the well tried british way of "If the natives do not understand you" shout.! now my head is buzzing with what is probably incorrect german! good for a laugh! "all you wish for yourself" Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: ALROSS2 Subject: Re: PT73 Actually, the Revell Vosper was originally released at McHale's Navy PT73. The TV series used PT 694 or 695 (I can't remember which at the moment). The boat was purchased by the American Patrol Boat Museum as a companion to the one they already had (either 694 or 695), but it was later washed ashore and wrecked. Al Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "David L. Miller" Subject: Re: 1/350 grate source You might try the aircraft carrier walkway and railings. I have some from the usual PE sources. The holes are extremely fine, and gratings might be able to be fashioned from these. Dave Miller Macomb, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Robert Hernandez" Subject: Items of interest on eBay Here are some items of interest on eBay: Rare 1/400-scale UPC Yamato motorizing, lighting smoking kit http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3114578361 1/400 Heller Battleship Scharnhorst kit http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2590&item=3114574972 1/400 Heller Battleship Graf Spee kit http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2590&item=3114576795 Battleship Scharnhorst by Gerhard Koop & Klaus-Peter Schmolke http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29344&item=3500643676 The Battle of the River Plate by Dudley Pope http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29344&item=3500645923 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Aztek airbrushes Dear All Having got heartily sick and tired of my airbrush getting clogged with paint despite storing the metal nozzles in solvent and spending more time dismantling and cleaning than I do actually spraying, I'm toying with the idea of getting an Aztek airbrush. However, I wonder how true the advertising is, or whether they are hyped up. Do any of you out there have experience of them? How easy are they to use? Do you find them easy to control? How finely can they spray? In particular, what about this idea of being able to clean them without dismantling. Is it true, or is it a myth? Do you have to use some special technique to clean it and avoid clogging? And is there a danger when the wife says, "Your dinner's on the table and I want you downstairs, NOW!!" I'd be most grateful for your experiences and feedback before I go along to the art shop and get the sales pitch from someone who probably has never used one! Regards, David Griffith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Jim Mcneil @ Slackers" Subject: Re: German Language - myth? MC, I'm not German and I don't speak it either, on the other hand in 1970 my Company Sergeant Major (Canadian Army) was an emmigrant from Germany and served in the German army in the last stages of WWII (The Big One). I was talking to him one day on the way back from an exercise on the cab of a "deuce and a half" i mistakenly referred to the German Army as the Wehrmacht and he quickly corrected me that Heer referred to the army and that Wehrmacht referred to the whole armed forces. Well that's my two cents worth. Jim McNeil, Slackers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: M.C. Linson Subject: German Language Many thanks to those who cleared up some of my ignorance. Gernot H. misunderstood the 'myth' portion of the subject. 'Myth' refers -NOT- to the German language itself (see further below) but, to the fact that English (language) writers persist in equating "Wehrmacht" with 'German Army,' which is incorrect/wrong. As in the 1933-1945 time period Der/Die Kriegsmarine gets the short end of the stick even today... "Der"- for Kriegsmarine, comes from a English-German dictionary that identified it as masculine. Looks as though official sources disagree. As German is a distant second language for me, the knowledge of URUDOFSKY takes precedence. No one, yet, commented on "Neandertal". The example was to show that language changes; even in short periods of time. At the time the bones were found it was spelled "NeanderTHal" with the "H" silent in pronunciation. Modern German dropped the "H" altogether- thus, "Neandertal." Additionally, further research has also shown that Neandertals were extremely advanced humans... Next time someone tries to insult you by calling you a 'Neanderthal', you can smile and say or think: "your ignorance/stupidity is showing..." :-) The above example was meant to illustrate that research on a subject, in this forum - naval history <=> modeling, would benefit greatly by approaching it with a mind-set closer to the historical period. Once understood, in historical context, better judgments for application to a model project can be applied.This is the opinion of more an 'armchair' modeler than a professional. Whatever works... Kind Regards, Mike /Loveland, CO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SteveWiper@ Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen Question >> Having just received the new Warship Pictorials on Prinz Eugen and Myoko I would like too say well done to Steve Viper yet again. Can't wait for the Bismarck one. But I have a question about a photo in the Eugen book. On page 45 there is a great photo of the forward turrets. The thing I am asking is that on turret Bruno there is a large cylinder with what appears to be a pipe running from it back under the turret overhang. Does anyone know what this cylinder is for?. I have looked at all the other photo's in this book and many other books but this cylinder does not appear in any of them and for that matter on any other turret. << I do not know??? It would appear to be some sort of compressed air cylinder??? Possibly to power the Flakvierling mounted atop the turret??? What a great photo, YEA!!! Speaking of speaking German, my last name is Wiper, pernounced in Germany as Viper! Thanks for your support, Steve @ www.classicwarships.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Gernot Hassenpflug Subject: Re: New releases in Japan Taking the replies to this thread in order of appearance: 1. reply to 'Peter' [SMML 2118 (2)] The container ship may have been Atlantic Conveyor, listed as 5800yen here, and from your description quite large! In comparison, Wasp is only in three pieces. Your description of smell and color is unmistakable :-) Thank you for posting the difficulties of the assembly. As for Trumpter kits, you are likely correct, we ship modelers are being discriminated against.... anyone know of an affirmative action hobby shop in the Osaka area? In Tokyo and Yokohama the problem is no doubt less acute. If you care to send me your email, perhaps we can get in touch. 2. reply to Darius [SMML 2118 (7)] 1) I agree. A review will no doubt appear in Model Art soon. 2) Yes, and as you read in SMML 2118 (2) this does cause problems. My opinion is that this is an acceptable problem for interesting ships. As to why the technique was used: this gentleman is a garage kit maker and does not have larger mold capabilities. From what I see and smell, there could be improvements to the process: I intend to buy one of the early (1887) cruisers for 2000yen and see how they go together - in these ships the hull is one piece. 3) German armoured cruisers: all the boxes are openable, but sadly these kits were not in the shop, hence no idea of the breakdown.... 3. reply to Yohan [SMML 2118 (9)] You can use http://www.hobbyland.co.jp to get lists of the available kits. Whether they do mail order I know not. Possibly other large chains, Leonardo comes to mind, also do mail order. For sure though, you need a basic knowledge of written Japanese to get kits like this through the shops that stock them. 4. reply to Mike [SMML 2118 (11)] and John [ibid.(14)] Oops! The manufacturer's name is written in Japanese, so while I try to translate I cannot gurantee that this is what the owner intended it to look like in roman letters. The first part is in katakana, and looks to me like "Fairy" or perhaps "Fairey" or even "Fairly". The second part is 'kikaku' which translates as plan or project. The penchant of Japanese to invent names with cute-sounding words in them leads to the conclusion that it might well be 'Fairy Project', or more majestically 'Project Fairy' :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume