Subject: SMML VOL 2137 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:40:30 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: USS Constitution's "booze cruise" 2: Gun Plot- Australian Navy Team 3: Re: Saratoga 4: a good link to have a gander at 5: Melbourne Comp 6: USS Salt Lake City camo 7: Re: HMS Anson deck color 8: Re: Interesting Items on eBay 9: Viking assault Support patrol boat 10: USS Constitution victuals & Admiral Anson's Voyage 11: Re: Glorious boat references 12: Re: Pennsy Tugboats 13: USS Pensacola 14: 1/500 model of PENSACOLA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Re: SSMMLiecon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WEM News ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: USS Constitution's "booze cruise" Didn't happen, ain't real, not true, it's a sea story, the end. Unfortunately, the original teller forgot the obligatory introductory four words: "This is no $h!+." These words are equivalent to "Once upon a time" in a sea-based fairy tail. If you really want, I'll go back and find references from the last time I saw this story. However, know that beer and rum were preferred consumables in those days because water inevitably ended up contaminated after a short time at sea. The beer was weak and the rum watered down so their alcoholic content was low enough not to dehydrate. French ships, even today, include wine cellars in their design. Joe Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SMAtouche Subject: Gun Plot- Australian Navy Team Hello All. A web friend sent a URL to me regarding the following site that recently added a link of his personal account of the Battle of Midway and the loss of the USS Yorktown, and it puts a very different spin on the final hours of CV5 than that offered by the USN. Gun Plot < http://www.gunplot.net/portol/html/links.php > for the most direct link connection to Peter "Flags" Karetka's site. Gun Plot home page is, http://www.gunplot.net A most interesting site for the Australian Navy. Of course many of you may already know this. Direct URL to "Flags" And if you would please sign his guest book he would appreciate it. Thank you. Paul Shay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: D Wakefield Subject: Re: Saratoga Thanks to everyone who provided the feedback. The John Fry Saratoga book was the one I was trying to remember. The Lexington Cl Carriers book was the other one. I'd forgotten that Classic Warships was doing on on the Lexington cl ships. That will be a must get, and my only excuse there is having been away from this scene for the past few years. Once someone mentioned it, I vaugely recalled it being on their "to do" list the last time I was here. At the moment, I'm sorta kicking myself cause I ordered two of the Sara kits, and only later realized; "dang it....I should've gotten one of the Lex kits to do the ship in prewar guise." Live and learn. The mention of a possible Trumpeter Lex in 04 though sounds REAL intriguing though. Does anyone know yet if they're thinking 1:350 or 1:700 on this one? A 1:350 would be OH too cool (something I've been lusting over since I saw Jon Warnke's one off '44-45 1:350 scratchbuilt Sara @ Steelnavy). Where I'd put it something that big though would be another matter all together. Thanks again!! Derek Wakefield ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: andrew jones Subject: a good link to have a gander at saw this on an braille scale armour (oops mean those land ships creepy crawlies) http://www.dynamicdioramas.org/modelindex.html good one of a PT base in WW2 & a battle between an e-boat & RN Corvette regards A.Jones ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: andrew jones Subject: Melbourne Comp I think the melbourne comp is this weekend..good luck for any SMML people going to compete regards Andrew Jones ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: airartcsb@juno.com Subject: USS Salt Lake City camo Did the camo for the USS Salt Lake City (1944) 34d14 extend to the deck as well? Where can I find a good camo pattern for this ship? Cheers C.S.Bailey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: wem Subject: Re: HMS Anson deck color In 1945, it would have been B-15. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "William H. Shuey" Subject: Re: Interesting Items on eBay Regarding the E-Bay item questioned by Devin J. Poore: This is a completely built model and more correctly comes under the heading of a collector's item. These 1/500 scalemodels were manufactured during World War II as training aids in ship identification for pilots and aircrew, whose ship identification skills were notoriously bad. There were a number of companies who made them and the hulls were generally wood and the guns and superstructure were cast lead. Some of the companies marketed kits of the cast parts and unpainted wood hulls after the war, Comet Models Co. comes to mind, there were others. Bill Shuey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Viking assault Support patrol boat Does anyone have a clean set of instructions for this one?? I have the kit, and it even appears to have all the parts!! but the instructions are a poor photo copy with unreadable photos. If someone has a clean copy that they can either scan or lend me, I would appreciate it. Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "rt.rogers" Subject: USS Constitution victuals & Admiral Anson's Voyage I was intrigued by the recent discussion on the "Victuals" consumed by USS Constitution for I seemed to remember reading about R.N victualling about the same period. Then the article on deck paints for H.M.S. Anson reminded me that the information I sought was in the book "The prize of all the oceans" which is the story of Anson's voyage "Round the horn" in the mid 18th century. Weekly victuals per man provisioned for at the start of a voyage were:- 7lb biscuits, flour or bread 7 pints wine or 1/2 pint brandy 1lb fresh beef or turtle & 3lb jerked beef 2lb pork 1 quart peas or equiv. 3 pints barley meal 1lb sugar or an extra 1 1/2 jerked beef Noticeable by their absence were RUM and citrus fruits. The former was in use, but because of its strength was diluted by 2 parts water to form "grog" and had not yet become standard issue. But soon after the voyage and, in good part due to the amount of scurvy suffered by Anson's men, the use of citrus fruit and "lime water" became widely accepted. The book is an incredible account of a voyage which, after starting out in 1740 with nearly 2,000 men and 4 ships, was completed in 1744 with just one ship and about 350 men!! If you like the fiction of Forrester, Monsarrat and O'Brien you'll love this true account!!! Yours Aye, Ransford "Taff" Rogers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: Glorious boat references >> -- I remember leafing thru copies of Model Shipwright magazine in the Auckland Central Library. Brian King's two part article on his scratch-built large scale model of the unlucky aircraft carrier HMS Glorious was remarkable. Thanks to a Google.com search, the Year was 1998. Issues 103/104. Pages 3-11 & 33-41. Photos of the model + details and diagrams. Brian King used the original plans of the conversion. The project was full of amazing stuff like Brian drawing up his own photo-etch set for Glorious. << Brian King's Glorious can also be found in 'Building modelwarships of the iron and steel eras' ed. by Peter Beisheim. The ship did have motor boats on board. According to the book the ship had the two RAF seaplane tenders off course (remember, FAA was still RAF controlled in 1938),2* 26ft motor pinnaces, 2*35 ft crash boats, 1*32 ft motor cutter (port side only), 2*32ft pulling cutters, 1*30ft cutter (starboard only), 2*30ft gigs, 2*27ft whalers, 2*16ft dinghies. After that he gives tips on how to scratchbuild these items using the Anatomy series as a reference. In 1/700 we have WEM off course, and the spares box. And some of the Skywave sets contain IJN motor boats that can be converted. As you'll probably be scratchbuilding a lot anyway on HP's Glorious WEM might be the best choice. Cheers, Pieter Cornelissen Delft, The Netherlands ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Douglas Burleigh Subject: Re: Pennsy Tugboats Keith and all the rest You should contact the Pennsylvania Railroad Technical and Historical Society. They did a feature on PRR tugboats in thier publication The Keystone. The Spring 92 issue has an article entitled "Steam and Saltwater" with extensive coverage of the fleet. Multiple photo, a paint schedule from 1955, a list of the tugs, and plans for 5 different vessels. The society can be contacted at: PRRT&HS PO Box 712 Altoona, PA 16603-0712 They also maintain a website at www.prrths.com Hope this helps, Doug ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: USS Pensacola This kit is supposed to be in 1/500 scale??? From the level of the detail on the photo it looks basic even for 1/700 scale!!! Regards Darius ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Paul & Renee Jacobs" Subject: 1/500 model of PENSACOLA South Salem Studios built ID models for the USN during WW II, in both 1:1200 and 1:500 scale. They were taken over by Comet Authenticast, who continued some of their models and discontinued most. The smaller scale models were all metal. The larger ones had wood hulls with mostly lead parts. A lot of these models have been offered on eBay the past few years. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: SSMMLiecon >> As you may have noticed, there have been several postings recently by James Kloek expounding on the virtues of Noreastcon, MAY 2/3 in Buffalo, and for swabs here to join in the fun. As of today, the list of attendees looks like this: John Rule (will do a scottish impersonation after dinner) << He has to be beaten, whipped tortured etc till he agrees to preform the routine he did in Butterly's hotel room at the First SMMLCon in Mass. I'll bring the Video Camera!! >> Gary Kingzett (no longer attending, been roped into a landlubber function) Jeff Hughes Bradford Chaucer (he always shows up) << Is that said with resignation or anticipation?? :-) >> Ted Paris ------} Jon Warneke --} sorry, I can't keep these three away, but they will be selling their @#$(stuff). << We have to work on them for a side trip to the vast ISW shipyards Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: WEM News Hi All, Well, Caroline and I are in southern Nevada for 2 weeks, meaning that Dave is running things solo at South Farm. In view of that, we'd like to ask that our customers minimise phone calls to make Dave's job easier. He'll have lots to do to keep the orders going out. We'll continue to answer all the e-mails we can from Stateside, so just bear with us. Thanks, John Snyder White Ensign Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume