Subject: SMML VOL 2149 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 23:26:23 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: German translation 2: Re: German translation 3: Unsolved History 4: Re: German translation 5: German Protected Cruiser 1889 (??) 6: CSS Tennessee Plans 7: Re: German Protected Cruiser 1889 (??) and German translation 8: German Protected Cruiser 9: Re: N-Gauge Source Question (yes, ships) 10: Re: N-Gauge Source Question (yes, ships) 11: Looking for books 12: Re: N-scale 13: Re: N Gauge Ships 14: 1/350 scale Shinano 15: Re: USS Pueblo 16: Re: Japanese LST WW-2 17: Re: German Protected Cruiser 1889 (??) 18: Replenishment in German 19: Re: Squadron Putty 20: The Gulf of Tonkin Yacht Club 21: Moulded Fittings 22: Thanks to translators 23: Re: NORMAN OUGH'S PLANS 24: N SCALE SHIPS 25: carboard edges 26: USS Susan B Anthony AP 72 27: French Landing Craft 1931-40 28: Re: Striking the colors 29: German translation 30: Cleaning model cockpit glass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Plans for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Benno Heines Subject: Re: German translation Hi Dan, A German Translation for "replenishment" is "Versorgung", German designation for a supply ship is "Versorger". Hope this helps, Benno Heines ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Ralf Gerhardt" Subject: Re: German translation Hi, the correct translation for "replenish" would mean "vervollständigen" or "auffüllen". But since it´s related to your S-boats I would recommend to use the official german military term for this: "Munitionsergänzung" (regarding to replenish the ammo). For "refueling" you can say "Treibstoffergänzung". However, if you tend to meet the soldier´s jargon, then use "Aufmunitionierung" (respective "Betankung"). Are you looking for a title to your diorama? I hope I could give some help. Best wishes, Ralf Gerhardt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Peter Samolinski" Subject: Unsolved History This may be a rerun, but the Discovery Channel's "Unsolved History" program is airing an hour long segment on the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff. Here in God's Country (Wisconsin, USA) the show will be on Wednesday, March 26 at 8:00pm CST; check you local listings. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: URUDOFSKY Subject: Re: German translation I think "Bunkern" refers only to coal and oil. Other words for "to come alongside for replenishment of ammunition, fuel, and food supplies": anlegen zur Ergänzung, (Wiederauffüllung) von Munition, Brennstoff und Proviant. If you want to see some really great pictures of Schnellboote in action, you should take a look at "Kriegsmarine am Feind" (The Kriegsmarine engaging the Enemy -1939-40). It is now available as an e-book at http://www.kbismarck.com/books/kafbook.html. The book contains more than a dozen Schnellboot photos among the 400+ Kriegsmarine action shots; it has been translated, and the text of the download is in the German and English version. Ulrich Rudofsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "John Rule" Subject: German Protected Cruiser 1889 (??) >> It is allegedly a "German Protected Cruiser 1889". The seller was unable to provide me with more details. I did a Google search for German 2d class protected cruisers from the late Victorian (or 2d Reich) era with no luck. I would like to try my hand at detailing this built-from-the-box version. It seems to be a rare kit. If anyone has information or knows a web site where I could find photos, drawings or paintings of this vessel, I'd appreciate it. << This could be a poor model of the Chinese battleship built in Germany. There were a couple of very poor kits of these ships which came out of China in recent years. Good luck in detailing the model. It may be easier to scratchbuild. Sincerely, John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Edwparent Subject: CSS Tennessee Plans Does anyone know where I can buy a set of David Meagher's plans for this Civil War ironclad? I don't know where to find him and Taubman Plan Service has run out of them. Thanks for any help. Ed Parent ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Lars Scharff" Subject: Re: German Protected Cruiser 1889 (??) and German translation @ Jim, this is a model of the Chinese battleship Ting Yuan or Chen Yuan, which were built in Germany between 1879-84. They were armed with four 30,5 cm and two 15 cm guns. There is no similarity to any German protected cruiser. Kerry Yang is (or was?) working on drawings of Ting Yuan, perhaps he can help you. On http://www.yaox.com/cwm/index.html are certainly photos, but it is to difficult to navigate, because the site is in Chinese. @Dan Replenishment is in German 'Auffüllung' or 'Ersatz', but the best translation for you would be 'bunkern' as Werner mentioned. But the phrase is "Deutsche Schnellboote beim Bunkern von Vorräten". No 3 'r'. Best regards Lars Scharff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: JOHNEME Subject: German Protected Cruiser It looks to me like a built up version of the Zhengdefu Chen Yuen or Ting Yuen Chinese battleships built in Germany in the late 1880's. John Emery ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: EDWARD GRUNE Subject: Re: N-Gauge Source Question (yes, ships) Ned wrote: >> I'm planning a waterfront scene for inclusion in an N-Gauge model train layout I'm going to build (N-Gauge is 1/160th scale) and I'm looking for sources of ship kits and/or accessories in the 1/144th - to - 1/200th scale range. << Iron Shipwright lists on their site some 1:160 scale PC-461 class patrol craft. Some 110' subchasers and Flower-class corvettes are listed as future products. Jon Warneke may yet be goaded into doing them. http://www.commanderseries.com/ships.htm I've thought about doing such a diorama module. By using the same-scale models it would allow them to be placed closer to the railway cars - yielding a smaller, more compact display. Mixing larger (1:144) or smaller (1:200) models with N-scale railway cars would mean thay you would have to force perspective. Ed Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Lou Meszaros Subject: Re: N-Gauge Source Question (yes, ships) You can try: www.battlersconnection.com www.swampworks.com If you need any other info in this scale, just ask away. Lou ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Stephen Bolton" Subject: Looking for books Hi all I was wondering if anyone can tell me what happened to the Anatomy of the ship volume on the Taiho by Richard Wolf, did it ever get published? I heard rumours of it, then nothing. Also I'm looking for a good source for old issues of Orrizonte Mare, an Italian publication similar to the old Warship profiles but on Italian warships. I managed to get a few from the publishers while working out there years ago but want to get the ones I missed on battleships and cruisers. Any help would be much appreciated. Steve In the sunny Falklands waiting to get home ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: ALROSS2 Subject: Re: N-scale >> I'm looking for sources of ship kits and/or accessories in the 1/144th - to - 1/200th scale range. << BlueJacket Shipcrafters (www.bluejacketinc.com) offers a series of kits in 1/192 and N scale. The former includes VICTORY & LIBERTY ships, plus naval vessels. The latter includes cast resin lobster boats, river tow boats, and a sardine carrier. Al Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: HGYL Subject: Re: N Gauge Ships The Dutch manufacturer Artitec has a large range of model ship kits in HO, N, and 1/350 scales. They are illustrated on their website which has links to international dealers who carry these kits. Regards to all, Harold Lincoln ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Jill Ferreira" Subject: 1/350 scale Shinano Hi. Any of you remember building the 1/350 scale Shinano as a kid? I believe the kit was by Life Like. I was just wondering if the kit is ever for sale and what it would cost to buy. Anyone got one for sale? Last, how good was the kit. thanks. Bob F. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Bill Michaels Subject: Re: USS Pueblo >> To all: O.K., time for a new topic. Is it true that the U.S.S. Pueblo was the only U.S. Navy to ever strike her colors to a belligerent foe? << Wouldn't an On Topic post be more appropriate for "a new topic"??? (And I can't resist-- of course it is NOT true. A number of ships were captured by the British in the War of 1812. USS Chesapeake and USS Essex come immediately to mind.) Bill Check out my list of USCG subjects in model kit form: home.earthlink.net\~billkaja\kitlist.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Michael Aono" Subject: Re: Japanese LST WW-2 Don, George Goff sells plans for this class of ship in 1/144th scale. I am uncertain how accurate the plans are. You will need to contact him and find out what he used as a source. His URL is Http://lonestar.texas.net/~glover/george.html Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Richa5011 Subject: Re: German Protected Cruiser 1889 (??) >> It is allegedly a "German Protected Cruiser 1889". The seller was unable to provide me with more details. << Not too surprising that you could not find any connection to any "German Protected Cruiser" as it is not. This is a built up kit of the Chinese (albeit - German built) armored turret ship Ting Yuen or her sistership Chen Yuan (spelling on both names vary). This model is built up from a kit originally issued 8 or 10 years ago by a Chinese company and currently available at shops. Frankly, I've never heard of the International Plastic Model Museum, and am rather leery of their model descriptions. I call your attention to another model they have on auction that they bill as a Victorian era light cruiser. The kit is actually a Chinese gunboat made from a kit by the same company. Nat Richards ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Ernst-Bernhard Kayser Subject: Replenishment in German Hi German is my native tounge. I also served in the Federal German Navy for a short while. Thus, I feel compelled to make the following remarks concerning previous postings in the "replenishment" thread. There is more than one way to translate replenishment. However, it depends on the context which of these different options make sense."Ergänzung" has the conotation of completion, adding what is missing, making whole. "Auffüllen" literaly means to fill up, to top off. I have never heard anyone use "Anfüllen" as a word. But German is a flexible language and you can make up understandable words as you go. The meaning of Anfüllen would be to start filling and then stop before the job is completeted. "Bunkern" is a good old naval term for stowing but it can only be used for bulk items such as coal, oil, water. "Versorger/Versorgungsschiff" is indeed a replenishment ship or a tender. My suggestions for the pierside replenishment scenario would include the word "Übernahme" which literaly means "take over" and is often used for replenishment in naval jargon. Schnellboote bei der Vorratsübernahme/Schnellboote bei der Übernahme von Vorräten. E-boats replenish supplies. Schnellboote bei der Dieselübernahme. E-boats replenish diesel. Schnellboote bei der Brennstoffübernahme. E-boats replenish fuel. Schnellboote bei der Treibölübernahme. E-boats replenish fuel oil. Schnellboote bei der Munitionsübernahme. E-boats replenish ammunition. Schnellboote bei der Torpedoübernahme. E-boats replenish torpedoes. I hope this was of any help. Bernhard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Michael Aono" Subject: Re: Squadron Putty >> I stopped using Squadron Putty due to it was cracking after a few years sometimes even less. I now been using "Bondo Spot Filler". It comes in a white and orange tub. The color of the Bondo is orange / red. I find it at most auto stores and I haven't had any cracks show up yet and I been using it for over ten years. It sells for about $3. Try it. << Keith, I have been using green Squadron Putty for almost ten year and I have not encountered the same problems you are having. At worst, I have had paint separate in areas where I used Green Squadron but only because I was masking off the area using tape and the tape was too tacky. It sounds like you are using an excessive amount of putty as a filler. I have noticed if you use a lot, it will shrink leaving a depression in the fill area. In this case you shouldn't use putty, but the automotive plastic filler. Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Glenn and Kelly Neklason" Subject: The Gulf of Tonkin Yacht Club Hi All Would anybody who has this book please contact me off list? I don't have it and am researching an aircraft loss. Thank you, Glenn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "George Peat" Subject: Moulded Fittings Gentlemen, I have a friend in South Africa {he is not on the net} who is looking for sources of Moulded ship fittings for the following scales. 1/1200, 1/600, 1/300th If there is such a sourse could you let me know and I will pass on the addresses of the companies concerned. Thank you, George Peat BEM [Secretary TF72/UK] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: Thanks to translators Dear Detlef, Bert, Ulrich & Werner, Many thanks for your suggestions. Good to know that German is so rich that I have some choice as to the final phrase. Best wishes Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Michael Aono" Subject: Re: NORMAN OUGH'S PLANS Hello, I don't know who started this thread but is someone attempting to build the HMS Lion? BDE, Inc. also carries the plans for this class of ship. In fact, it is probably the same ones provided by Taubman. Three sheets, 1/144th scale and $20.00. The only problem is plans for RC combat are not always scale. BDE R/C Combat, Inc. Http://www.bderc.com/plans/page4.html Taubman Plans Service Http://www.taubmansonline.com Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: N SCALE SHIPS HI ALL, I think the Walther's web site has some. DAVID IN DIXIE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "George Stein" Subject: carboard edges Simple "black" is not the best approach to hide the white "cut" edges of paper models. I suggest you get a box of colored pencils. Select the color closest to the adjacent edge ("close" is good enough; "perfect" is too hard). The use a damp (not wet) brush (or just wet your fingertip) and wipe along the edge. The pencil color "blends" ever-so-slightly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: USS Susan B Anthony AP 72 A friend is looking for some info on this ship. It was a troop transport converted from a passenger steamer. I found some histories but no photos. He wants to do a small model of the ship. Am I correct that his best bet would be the 1/700 liberty like the Samik or Bootes?? Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: David Gregory Subject: French Landing Craft 1931-40 I am looking for help in researching a tough subject!- In 1931, the Lorient Arsenal received a contract for a large (40 tonnes) motorised landing craft for tanks. Although it had the same length and displacement as a US LCT Mk VI (36 metres and 145 tonnes) it could only carry 50 to 55 tonnes (compared to the 120 tonnes of the US LCT). The number built is subject to debate but it seems that the total was 3, all of which were gathered in Le Havre in June 1940 with a view to a landing behind German lines. All of the information above comes from an online article by Louis Dursteste: "Des Dardanelles à Narvik. La Réflexion sur les opérations combinées dans la marine française (1915-1940)" http://www.stratisc.org/strat/strat_062_durteste_tdm.html THE BIG QUESTION- can anyone help me in finding any image at all of these craft? Thanks, Dave G. The PT Dockyard "The Island of Misfit Boats" http://ptdockyard.tripod.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Chuck Messer" Subject: Re: Striking the colors >> To all: O.K., time for a new topic. Is it true that the U.S.S. Pueblo was the only U.S. Navy to ever strike her colors to a belligerent foe? << Franklyn I don't know if she struck her colors, but the frigate U.S.S. President was captured by the Royal Navy during the War of 1812. The latest restoration of the U.S.S. Constitution was made possible by drawings of the President in England from when they back-enigneered her. It looks like both our countries got something out of that one, although it was spread over 200 years. Chuck ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "bert" Subject: German translation From bert, I got it wrong again didn't I. Replenish in German is "Auffullen(stock) and Nachfullen(refill)" replenishment could be "wieder Auffullen/Nachfullen". Nachschub is a military term for supplies; Versorgen is to provide: von Vorraten is a military term meaning to supply stock. Like most things "yer pays yer money and makes yer choice". no doubt there will be other choices forthcoming from other sources. B.O.L. (TaT). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "Mark Krumrey" Subject: Cleaning model cockpit glass There is a product called "Brasso" that is used for polishing brass and copper. It works great on polishing plastic and canopies. After thoroughly polishing the canopy, put Future on with a cotton swab, and it will be as transparent as the real thing. Polishing plastic with brasso is great prep for doing natural metal finishes on aircraft too. For those who of us who engage in such folly! Mark Krumrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michael London" Subject: Plans for sale I have a number of Musee de la Marine plans of French armored ships of late 19th/early 20th Centuries for sale. These are:- Waldeck-Rousseau: Longtitudinal section and deck plan. Kleber: Profile, deck plan, longtitudinal section and cross sections (2 sheets). Leon Gambetta: Profile,deck plans (2 sheets). Ernest Renan: Longtitudinal section, deck plans (quality poor). Vérité: Longtitudinal section, cross sections, deck plan (3 sheets). Danton: Longtitudinal section. Jules-Michelet: Upper deck plans. Cassini (torpedo gunboat): Longtitudinal section, upper deck plans. Price $US 30.00 incl postage to North American addresses. Contact me off list if you need more info at jmalondon@rogers.com Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume