SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Korean war era coast guard cutters - colour of depth charge racks? 2: Korean war era coast guard cutters - colour of depth charge racks? 3: Australian TV station 4: Re: The History Channel revisited 5: Re: Oscar 2 Class Model 6: Polish Translations 7: Re: Ships names and Warship Perspectives 8: Trumpeter 1/350 USS Yorktown dropped? 9: Re: Polish Translation 10: Photoetching-Lionfish 11: Looking for books....thank you 12: Re: Warship Perspectives 13: MODEL SHOPS IN PARIS 14: Chinese DD Hai Lung-class -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Model Ship Journal New For Spring 2003 2: Re: Bottom Paint ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Loren Perry Subject: Re: Korean war era coast guard cutters - colour of depth charge racks? >> My Revell Taney/Campbell is completed now to the point where I have to contemplate the colour of fittings. One puzzle is the colour of the depth charge stern railings and 'K' gun reload racks (as I am modelling Campbell circa 1951). My newly arrived copy of Scheina has a clear picture of the Richey (Edsall class DE operated by the Coast Guard during this period) with black-looking stern rails and 'K' racks - in tone much darker than either the buff-painted areas aboard the cutter, or what I presume is the dark (ocean?) gray of the depth charges. I also have a photo of Campbell circa 1951, which also shows very dark painted stern rails. Can any experts, ex-coasties etc advise me about the colour used during this period, if not then I will probably just use a scale black. I note that my ancient Revell instruction sheet recommends black FWIW. << When I was at the U.S. Coast Guard museum in Seattle a few years ago, I found some actual USCG official painting directions in their archives. When I compared them with the Revell Taney/Campbell painting instructions, I discovered that the Revell painting instructions were 100% correct as they matched the official USCG data in every way. So in this case, you can use Revell's instructions with confidence. Loren Perry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: Korean war era coast guard cutters - colour of depth charge racks? Steve, I recently built a Taney myself and I had the same question. The following is a response I got from a former QMC (and ship modeler)who served on the Taney in the 1950's: "The depth charges were black. They were painted by the gunnery division to match the racks which were black. When delivered/picked up from the ammo depot they were gray." He also told me that the life rings were international orange, as were the "NRDT" call sign letters atop the baloon shelter behind the funnel. "Orange life rings were stowed on either side of the angled part of the superstructure forward. There were also life rings on the inside of the wings of the bridge just below where the search lights are. Also on the main deckhouse between the small boats and on the aft bulkhead of the main deckhouse." He said the square rafts as depicted in the Revell kit had been removed by the time he was aboard, but I know from another source that these were orange as well. Hope this helps. Regards, Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: andrew jones Subject: Australian TV station For those in OZ There is a channel that is showing Victory at Sea on Tuesdays, not sure what episode its up to it's chennel 31, shows a lot of old shows..F-troop (one of my fav's) & other old shows http://www.channel31.org.au/ you do not need any special wiring, just do a scan on a empty channel on your TV at night & if you come across any foreign language (no not SBS) shows then you have channel 31 Regards Andrew Jones ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: The History Channel revisited Having just seen yet another version of the saga of Captain Bligh, on the History Channel, I am hovering, almost ready to go into orbit. But I decided to check on our British cousins about a word used (mis-used?) frequently in the show. The voice-over running American accent commentator kept referring the "The Admirality" (with two "i"s, and accentuating the second "a", similar to "morality"). Remembering my first encounter (many moons ago) with the British word for a common light metal, aluminium (also with two "i"s), I solicit the opinion of Her Majesty's loyal subjects. Sounds like something Gilbert (he of Gilbert and Sullivan fame) would have had use for, the reality of the normality of the morality of the Admirality. Any comments? Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Chuck Messer" Subject: Re: Oscar 2 Class Model Just wanted to thank Kevin and Gary for the link. The site has a lot of great photos. I just want to say how much I appreceate this venue and the crew that make this one of the places I frequent on the Infernal Superhighway: My Fellow Smellies - Including the web master and mistress, Shane and Lorna, and to Hugh, who clued me in on this place. Thanks, all. Honest to peaches, I wasn't cribbing from an Academy Awards acceptance speech in the above statement. Honest. Chuck ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: roger.antrobus Subject: Polish Translations Thank you everybody who contributed their Polish wisdom - I now have a good understanding of my plans. Regards, Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ray Cockram Subject: Re: Ships names and Warship Perspectives Hello all, I have to agree with Michael McMurtrey"s post with regard to his point on the Warship Perspectives lack of scales, frame numbers and etc. I have found this lack (?) a hinderance, but have successfully scaled the drawings in the Flower Class volume. I do hope WR Press are listening to this! On Michaels other point regarding ships names I agree wholeheartedly with him. Cheers all Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "chris" Subject: Trumpeter 1/350 USS Yorktown dropped? Hi All, Apparantley the Trumpeter late war 1/350 Yorktown Essex Class carrier is not in their 2003 catalogue. Anyone have any info on if it has been dropped? I was holding off on Essex to get this kit to do a late '44 Yorktown or Intrepid so I wouldn't have to scatchbuild the 40mm gun mounts etc. Thanks, Chris Evenden Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: PolTexCW Subject: Re: Polish Translation >> I have recently bought the Profile Morskie book ... a lot of what I need but I am not able to translate the following: << >> kal << Probably abreviation for "caliber" >> lodzi << boats ("people" are ludzie) >> lodziowy << adjectival form >> osmioulufowej << eight barreled >> relingu << genitive of railing i.e. "railing's" John Biskupski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Victor Baca-Model Ship Journal Subject: Photoetching-Lionfish Hi Norbert: We just received a copy of Brian King's book "Photoetching For Modelers" for a book review and found that it answers just about any questions modelers may have regarding the production of materials for photoetching. The text covers everything from CAD to home PE production and gives a good insider's view at a commercial photoetching operation. This new book is soft cover, published by Pier Books/DuPont communications (e-mail: pier.bks@icu.com) or call 845-268-5845 in the U.S. For the $15.00 pricetag, this is a must-have on the modeler's bookshelf. Check out the review in the current Spring issue of Model Ship Journal., which will ship to dealers next week. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Stephen Bolton" Subject: Looking for books....thank you Richard thanks for letting me know about the Taiho book. That's good news, I was beginning to think it had been scrapped . Sounds like it'll be worth the wait when it is published. All the best Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: Warship Perspectives In respect of the non use of a scale bars on the general arrangement drawings; this is a valid point and in the future, drawings of this type will have a scale bar wherever possible. On the fold out set of the Essex in the back of the book, the original plans were drawn to 1" = 16', and reproduced to 1/350 th scale in order to facilitate those building the Trumpeter kit of the Essex of the same scale. One may find small differences between the kit and the set of fold out plans. This is due to vargaries at the printers. I also understand that the kit MAY not actually be the Essex, but of the Yorktown. I will not say why this is the case as I am not absolutely certain of the mechanism by which Trumpeter collected and put the references together. The use of the word "The", in front of a ships name. I might respond to that after I have had a few drinkies. After having had a drink or two or three, I respond accordingly; The HMS Teazer, or, HMS Teazer, or Teazer. Take your pick you little Teazer you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: HGYL Subject: MODEL SHOPS IN PARIS I am going to be in Paris for a couple of days next month. Are there any model shops worth visiting? Best wishes to all, Harold Lincoln ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Chinese DD Hai Lung-class In 1898, Schichau at Elbing built four destroyers for China, the 280 ton Hai Lung class consisting of Hai Lung, Hai Ching or Hai Ying, Hai Nju and Hai Hoha. These four destroyers were seized by the British destroyers Fame and Whiting on 17 June 1900 while they were moored alongside the outer wharves of the Taku dockyard on the Pei Ho river. The four destroyers were then distributed among four of the navies involved in the intervention; Britain, France, Russia, and Germany got one destroyer each, whilst Japan had to be content with a gunboat captured in dock. The British received the Hai Lung, the Chinese commodore's destroyer and was renamed Taku. The Hai Hoha became the Russian Lt. Burakov. The other two ships became the French Takou and the German Taku. Thus from one class came three destroyers with the same name in different navies. The final fates of these ships were: British Taku was sold 26 Oct. 1916 at Hong Kong and scrapped. French Takou was placed on the French naval list on 20 June 1900. She ran aground on Poulo Condor Island, China, on 22 Feb. 1911. She was refloated on 27 April 1911 but was condemned on 30 Sept. 1911 as not worth repairing and scrapped at Saigon. German Taku was commissioned in the German navy on 6 Dec. 1900. She was discarded on 13 June 1914. Scuttled at Tsing Tao on 28 Sept. 1914. Russian Leitenenat Burakov was attacked by two Japanese picket boats fitted with torpedoes (from the battleships Mikasa and Fuji) during the night 23/24 July 1904 at Take Bay, a few miles east of Port Arthur. She was severely damaged by the explosion and beached. On 26 July 1904 she broke in two and sank. In Chinese service they were armed with 6x 3pdr guns and 4x 45,72 cm TT. When were these ships commissioned into the Chinese navy? When were they delivered to the Chinese? When did they make their trials? Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/flagship.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Victor Baca-Model Ship Journal Subject: Model Ship Journal New For Spring 2003 We just received the Spring '03 issue of Model Ship Journal from the printer and it is spectacular. We upgraded the 'look' of the magazine, added four more pages and also increased the color pages inside by four additional pages. Plastic/resin modeling content is now increased with excellent kit and accessory reviews by Steve Wiper who has signed on as Contributing Editor. He reviews new releases and upgraded kits from Hasegawa, Tamiya, Seals Models, Trumpeter, HP Models, Corsair Armada, Pit Road, Kombrig, WSW and your favorite accessory manufacturers like Gold Medal Model, Tom's Modelworks, etc and we've included several new book reviews as well. And don't hesitate to send in photos of your built-up kit models for the Modeler's Gallery section. Subscription cost is $35.00 per year (U.S.) and $45.00 per year (Outside U.S.) We accept subscription orders via snail mail (checks, money orders, Master Card and Visa accepted) or you can e-mail us with a subscription order using a credit card. We will be spending the next week to prepare the mailing to subscribers, dealers and distributors. MSJ can be purchased at hobby retailers and independent bookstores. We also sell through Borders Books (If the store doesn't have it on the rack, ask the order desk to get it for you as a "Borders Approved" periodical). You can also order single copies from Squadron Mail Order. Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL www.modelshipjournal.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: wem Subject: Re: Bottom Paint >> Can anybody give me a specific recommendation (brand, color, source) for bottom red, to be airbrushed on carrier Yorktown, scratch-built in plastic (not by me)? << Yes. Colourcoats, Norfolk 65-A Antifouling Red, stock number US14, available from White Ensign Models (assuming you're referring to the WW2 YORKTOWNs). If you're referring to the modernized YORKTOWN, then you want Colourcaots, USN Modern Antifouling Red, stock number M06, available from White Ensign Models. Both are also available from various dealers worldwide who stock Colourcoats. Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume