Subject: SMML VOL 2154 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:00:49 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: HMS Starling drawings 2: Instructions for Revell Eastwind 3: Re: The History Channel revisited 4: USCG Colours - Thanks to Loren and Tim 5: MODEL SHOPS IN PARIS 6: Re: The "admirability" of the Admiralty 7: Need help on Rigging and Antenas 8: ships names 9: Re: The History Channel revisited 10: New Book 11: Re: The History Channel revisited ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Buffalo SMMLcon 2003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: More Kriegsmarine Colourcoats! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michael Aono" Subject: Re: HMS Starling drawings >> "Eureka" - On Sunday afternoon I completed a set of five drawings for the famous Improved Black Swan class sloop, HMS Starling. These have been redrawn in great detail from her "As Fitted" builders drawings. << Do you have a website for your line of drawings? I need info on scale, price, etc. Michael Hi Michael, You can find a link to John's site on the SMML site under "Links". Regards, Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Stephen Allen" Subject: Instructions for Revell Eastwind Is there anybody on list who could provide me with a copy of the instruction sheet for Revell's Eastwind or Burton Island? Photocopy or scanned would be fine. Also, I'm looking for a source of eyebolts for attaching rigging. I've just run out of the excellent eyebolts contained on the GMM etch sheet for the USS Ward, and I'm looking for equivalent, or preferably smaller. Is there, for example, any kind of lifting ring etc made for small scale rail roads that could be adapted for the purpose? The smaller the better. TIA Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: wem Subject: Re: The History Channel revisited Hi Franklyn, You are cleared for orbit--they got it wrong. Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Stephen Allen" Subject: USCG Colours - Thanks to Loren and Tim Thanks to both of you for the advice on the colours for the Campbell. The build is positively motoring along at the moment - looking forward to adding that GMM photoetch! regards Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "John Rule" Subject: MODEL SHOPS IN PARIS >> I am going to be in Paris for a couple of days next month. Are there any model shops worth visiting? << Now Harold, that all depends what kind of "model" shop you are looking for. Have great trip. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: The "admirability" of the Admiralty Franklyn wrote: >> Having just seen yet another version of the saga of Captain Bligh, on the History Channel, I am hovering, almost ready to go into orbit. But I decided to check on our British cousins about a word used (mis-used?) frequently in the show. The voice-over running American accent commentator kept referring the "The Admirality" (with two "i"s, and accentuating the second "a", similar to "morality"). Remembering my first encounter (many moons ago) with the British word for a common light metal, aluminium (also with two "i"s), I solicit the opinion of Her Majesty's loyal subjects. Sounds like something Gilbert (he of Gilbert and Sullivan fame) would have had use for, the reality of the normality of the morality of the Admirality. << Dear Franklyn, Launch yourself into orbit, you're quite right! It is the ADMIRALTY, with only one "i". Was it Oscar Wilde who said that Britain and America are separated by a common language? And Winston Churchill was reputed to have scrawled in the margin of some civil servant's report, when he had used very awkward grammar to avoid ending a sentence with a preposition, "This is an example of bastard and stilted English, up with which I will not put." One of my particular least favourite (note the "u") mispronunciations, which happens on both sides of the Atlantic, although your current President is, I'm afraid, notably guilty, is to talk about "newk-u-lar" weapons. Look at the spelling and you will see that it should be pronounced "new-clear", as though it is novel and transparent! Before I climb down off my hobby-horse, I would say, very tongue-in-cheek, that, regarding the aforementioned "Admirality", that it puts me in a very bad "humour", it raises the "colour" in my cheeks, and that if I caught the perpetrator (that doesn't have a "u"), I would shake him so "vigourously" that he had a cerebral "haemorrhage", and that I'd then throw him into the "harbour" at Pearl Harbor (that one without a "u")!!!! ;-) The mention of Gilbert and Sullivan starts a chain of thought that ties in nicely with a recent thread on the prefixing of a ship's name by the word "the". Do you remember the episode of "The Simpsons" where Sideshow Bob is trying to murder Bart, who distracts him by persuading him to sing all the songs from (and I quote) "The HMS Pinafore"? I believe I am right in thinking that we Brits would never say "The HMS Anything". Try expanding it to "The Her Majesty's Ship Ark Royal", and you can see that it does not make sense. If HMS is not used then to say either "the Ark Royal" or just plain "Ark Royal" would seem to be equally correct, but I don't know if one is preferable in naval circles. That's my three ha'p'orth, I'll jump down off my soap box. I have the honour of remaining, Sir, Her Majesty's most loyal and humble servant, David Griffith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "olafur" Subject: Need help on Rigging and Antenas Hi all, My name is Olafur Sigurdsson. I come from Iceland in the middle of the Atlantic pond. I am new to this groups since I have only recently discovered "ship-modelling". So please forgive me if my questions seem basic or "stupid". I have now enjoyed a long time building the 1/350 Tamyia KGV. Painting, photo-etched parts and all is fine. Now I got to make the rigging and I just cant get a result that looks real. i.e. my model is ruined... kind of. I have built aircraft models for 20 years and I normally use very thin Nylon thread for the antenas and in some cases stretched sprue. I was going to use the same technique on the KGV and I had to find out that the nylon does not "like" to be glued to the masts and because the nylon is curled the thread needs to stretched to a point which starts bending the masts. Not to mention trying to get 6 paralell ones that hang a bit down like on the real thing... So I did all the rigging with stretched sprue and the result is...not smashing. Can anyone please give me a good hint. I have the Bismark, Missouri and Hornet ready to be built but I hardly dare starting them if I cannot solve this misery. Thanks in advance Oli ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "bert" Subject: ships names To Michael, from bert The question of the correct terminology of ships names is like most things, relative to the circumstances in which is being used. frinstance; if you were sailing in the North Sea from Southend to Harwich in company with H.M.S. Essex and you said to an oppo "that's Essex" he would not necessarily know if you were referring to the ship or the shore, as Essex would be the county shoreline you were sailing past! therefore in order to differentiate, you would have to use "the Essex" or H.M.S.Essex" but in the R.N. it would NEVER be "The H.M.S. Essex, However here in Australia the ex pussers invariably, would use "The H.M.A.S. Essex." the ramifications of usage could produce some hilarious comments. Take Winston Churchill for instance. name of a ship and a WW2 leader of some repute. Jack says to John while both are on watch, there's Winston Churchill; John could reply "does he walk on water as well" But if it had been there's "The Winston Churchill" Jack would know John was referring to an object not a person. Yours Aye in jest.(TaT) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "bert" Subject: Re: The History Channel revisited From a Pomaussie, To FK brown90. re a misused word the correct spelling of the word and it's, pronunciation it is Admiralty. 2 Does U.S.A. have an admirality? Bert (TaT) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: royrichey Subject: New Book Just got my copy of 'German destroyers of World War II' by Koop & Schmolke. Depending on the individual ship you want, there are a lot of good photos. There are some that have been published elsewhere with no i.d. that are identified. Several plan and elevation drawings (just over 7" long) that are identified by date. Section of camo drawings, identified by ship and date. Brief synopsis of each destroyers operational history. A lot of new (to me) info and alot of old info that is in one book instead of several. I thought it was a good investment for USD 33.00(30% discount) plus s&h. Roy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Re: The History Channel revisited Admiralty, pronounced "admrlty". Note the running of the letters m & r and together. I couldn't see any pommy sailor saying admirality. There's no such word anyway. Another thing, you yanks should learn more about the rest of the world. Recently my wife was watching some soppy love story on TV, which was supposed to be set in Vienna, overlooking the Danube. However it was actually Budapest. I know cause I've been there and the chain bridge, fisherman's bastion and royal palace definitely ain't in Vienna. I guess Vienna sounded sexier, not being in a former warsaw pact country like Hungary. Hollywood has this tendency to dish up irrelevant crap (eg Memphis Belle, Pearl Harbour and Private Ryan with "P-51 Tank Busters" for heaven's sake). I wonder who their technical advisers are and if they ever listen to them. Mind you even the British take some poetic license from time to time. In that old classic "Sink the Bismarck!" not only does the Bismarck sink HMS Hood, she also downs a swordfish and sinks a destoyer (HMS Solent), which is total BS. If people make war movies I wish they'd do their research and stick to the facts. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "James Kloek" Subject: Buffalo SMMLcon 2003 Only 5 weeks until the big event! Time to get serious about making plans. I just had a note which said that the contest rate at the hotel may not be available if you book after April 10, so if you know you are coming, it might be good to book now. Although we have been encouraging everyone to come and participate in Noreastcon, if you just want to come for the SMMLie events, that's fine too. Darren and I will need to have a good headcount about 2 weeks before the start so we can make final plans, so if you know you are coming, be sure one of us has your name. We are going to have a good time. This will be a big contest, with lots of models, vendors, and seminars. We will be visiting 1:1 scale ships of historic interest, and we will be doing a fair amount of socializing, eating, and consuming the beverages of your choice. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: More Kriegsmarine Colourcoats! Just arrived and being labelled today: KM13 (Baltic) Hellgrau; KM14 (Baltic) Mittelgrau; KM15 (Baltic) Dunkelgrau. These will allow you to accurately paint your BISMARCK, PRINZ EUGEN, and all those other ships that used the Baltic scheme with the black & white stripes. Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models Home Page for WEM, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume