Subject: SMML VOL 2156 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:37:53 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: MODEL SHOPS IN PARIS 2: Drydocking - USS North Carolina 3: Re: Rigging with wire 4: Re: Drydocking 5: Two Days in Paris 6: Re: Drydocking? 7: Re: Drydocking 8: Re: The "admirability" of the Admiralty 9: History Channel inaccuracies 10: USS Salt Lake City camo 11: Re: TV Documentaries 12: Admiralty: does the US have one.. 13: Two days in Paris 14: Ah! Budapest, Beautiful Budapest!! ...Nagyon Sep 15: USS Iowa ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CokerRE Subject: Re: MODEL SHOPS IN PARIS I would have thought that Ray in Canada would have had some good responses to his request about Paris model shops from our French SMMLies by now. Anyway I will give him a shot. The only time I have been in Paris was in August 1985 for a wonderful week. Be sure to go to the Musee de la Marine. It is near the Trocadero metro on the Seine at the Palais de Chaillot which is right opposite the Eiffel Tower. This is where Hitler viewed the Eiffel Tower in those documentaries that we see over and over. It is chock full of superb models. The WWII ones were on 1/200 scale mostly. Did not find many of the navy type 1/50 scale models. The art work is outstanding, espcecially if you are into sailing ships. The Musee has a wonderful reference library upstairs which may take special arrangements to use but if you are into French ships, where else can one go? There was a nautical book store (Nautical Libre or something similar) on the Champs Elysee just a few blocks from the Arc de Triomphe. Well worth a long visit. The only model shop I visited was R. Staub, an old firm tucked in a residential neighborhood. I took a cab to it so do not remember where it is but I think on the right bank in the area of the Paris Opera. Staub was more into wood kits and brass fittings and custom building ship models on commission. If you get to know the proprietor, he can be quite a fountain of knowledge about ship models and model building. He had plans of French ships that I have never seen anywhere else. There are other firms but I did not have time to find them. I have an address for a Societe Heller at 58, rue d'Hauteville, 75010 Paris. I used to have a catalog from a firm called MRA or something similar that also built ship models on commission. If you are into sailing ships then Beaudroit should still be in Paris. Hope this helps and with luck I may make it for a return visit. PC Coker/Charleston ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Cyp Klish" Subject: Drydocking - USS North Carolina >> I was just wondering if anybody knows if there are any plans to dry dock the following ships? All of these of battleships and from what I know they have not been in many years 1. USS TEXAS 2. North Carolina 3.Alabama << USS North Carolina has not been drydocked since 1953. Plans are being made to have her drydocked in 2007 at Norfolk. While away from Wilmington for the estimated four month long drydocking her berth will be changed and on return, she will be moored along the river, rather than in her current berth in a man-made channel just off the river. See: http://www.battleshipnc.com/lucky_bag/ongoing.html and click the drydock/hull restoration link on the right of the page. "Hope this helps... Kip Klish ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: EDWARD GRUNE Subject: Re: Rigging with wire ShipModelMasters.com wrote: >> We have found that floral wire, available at any craft store is the best product for rigging presentation. Comes in different diameters, is pre-primed and is only slightly rigid. Can be bent to simulate sagging horizontal cabling. CA rubberized glue works best to join wire to deck and wire to wire. You will find the overall presentation greatly enhances the look of the model. << What guage wire are you using and on what scale models do you use this wire? The finest florists wire I have found in a craft store is 26 gauge -- and this sizes to 0.018 inches actual diameter. The finest gauge beading wire I have found in a craft store is 34 gauge. This sizes to 0.009 inches actual diameter. In 1:350 scale these gauge wires scale out to 6.3 (26 gauge) and 3.15 (34 gauge) inches. Since most standing rigging and radio antennas are in the one-half to three-quarter inch size these wires are very much out of scale. For the quarter to three-eights inch halyard rigging they are even farther out of scale. In 1:700 scale these size wires would be grossly oversize. I have found that in 1:350 scale 0.005 inch stainless steel wire is an acceptable compromise between lightness, duarability, and ease of application. I use white glue to tack it in place and finish with a bit of plain old hardware store CA. Ed Mansfield, TX As they say on Hyperscale -- 'the scale ... always say the scale!' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: THEGAVEL Subject: Re: Drydocking USS Texas sits on a concrete cradle and isn't really afloat. That said, has the cruiser Olympia been in drydock? John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: JOHNEME Subject: Two Days in Paris Like Ray Bean said, you are unlikely to find anything in the hobby shops of Paris that you could not find at home; what you will not find at home is the Musee de la Marine across from the Eifel Tower. The model collection (not for sale) there is fantastic; the artwork, amazing. Any money that you might spend in a hobby shop, you could just as easily spend in the museum gift shop, and satisfy two causes; your own self-interest getting some really neat stuff, and you will be suporting one of the great maritime museums of the world. Too many years since I was there, John Emery ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "dennis irwin" Subject: Re: Drydocking? I do not know about the Alabama or North Carolina but the Texas was in drydock in the 1990's for restoration. You might want to check the site to find out if there are photos available. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Danjessar Subject: Re: Drydocking USS North Carolina is supposed to go to Norfolk for a drydocking, but there's no definite time, probably at least a couple of years away. It's been awhile since I've heard anything. Apparently, some of her upper structures will have to be removed, as she's too tall for a downstream bridge that wasn't there when she arrived in Wilmington. Also, there are plans to change her mooring when she comes back from Norfolk. Dan Schweikert Franklinton, NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: Re: The "admirability" of the Admiralty >> One of my particular least favourite (note the "u") mispronunciations, which happens on both sides of the Atlantic, although your current President is, I'm afraid, notably guilty, is to talk about "newk-u-lar" weapons. Look at the spelling and you will see that it should be pronounced "new-clear", as though it is novel and transparent! Of course Jimmy Carter pronounced it the same way, and he was a nuclear engineer In regards to ending sentences with prepositions, this appears to be a false high horse. The rule exists in Latin, and somehow scholars trying to be 'classic' CLAIMED that the rule applied in English as well, but such constructions in English are simply too convenient and meaningful to be disallowed. (And the bane of English teachers everywhere, "ain't", was used in Shakespeare.) To be sure there is ship model content - has the guy looking for an Aurora BAINBRIDGE found one yet? (reading last week's worth of digests all at once). Brooks A. Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: History Channel inaccuracies Hi Folks, I just have to chime in with my recent observation. They aired a show entitled Dead Men's Secrets--The Death of Admiral Yamamoto (or something like that). Anyway, they used computer generated graphics of the P38 Lightning squadron going to intercept Yamamoto's entourage. Has anybody here on the list ever built the Monogram 1/48 P38? If so, you'll recall they molded a vertical strut on the bottom of the port boom, under the rudder. It served to hold the model on its' nose gear when displayed. The company that produced the graphics must have used this model as a pattern, because every conputer generated P38 had that vertical strut. I suspect they thought it was some sort of antenna. Rod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SPYDER62 Subject: USS Salt Lake City camo >> Did the camo for the USS Salt Lake City (1944) 34d14 extend to the deck as well? Where can I find a good camo pattern for this ship? << My Dad was on her at that time and says it did. But I have asked on the SLC web site also. http://sandysq.gcinet.net/uss_salt_lake_city_ca25/ rich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: TV Documentaries I'm not going to go off subject (ship model) beyond pointing out that modelers simply cannot have any faith in what they see on the TV documentaries. It turns out that people such as the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, etc. are apparently simply the conduits for these films. They seem to obtain the shows from a variety of production companies and then arrange for them to be shown on TV. Thus the Channels have little or no expertise in the vast variety of subjects they show, they are just like middlemen in this regard. Therefore the ridiculous things that are shown will continue to be shown because the means to filter them out just do not exist. They just don't get the idea that when a viewer sees something that he knows about being misrepresented, how can he trust something that he doesn't know about? O.K. Off the soap box. Here's something for every seafaring man who ever spent time ashore before the early fifties in Boston, Mass. Go to http://www.bambinomusical.com/scollay and click on the first two items in the left hand column. Boston will never be the same. Enjoy. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Admiralty: does the US have one.. >> Yes. We call it Congress. << Hi Mark, Actually we call it "the Department of the Navy". Congress is what the British call Parliment. Rich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Graeme Martin Subject: Two days in Paris forget the model shops, check out the Musee de la Marine very good for models, painting etc..... then go look at some other fine galleries, museums and restaurants. Le musée est installé au Palais de Chaillot, l'un des chefs d'oeuvre de l'architecture du XXe siècle, construit par les architectes Carlu, Boileau et Azéma pour l'exposition internationale de 1937. Situé face à la Tour Eiffel et au Champs de Mars, il offre l'un des plus vastes panoramas sur Paris. cheers, Graeme Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Ah! Budapest, Beautiful Budapest!! ...Nagyon Sep I was actually practising irony with my remarks about Budapest. In case you hadn't guessed by the name, I'm half Hungarian with Danube running through my veins. I love the place and you're right about the women. They'd definitely leave the Austrian Frauliens for dead. Budapest is also the capital of XXX and judging by what some of those girls get up to they're not just pretty faces either. Did you know the caretaker of Keszthely palace was sacked for renting it out for the making of XXX movies, or so the guide told us. Ah! the food, Ah! the wine, Ah! the music, Ah! the history, Ah! the scenery, but most of all the women. I'll be back soon. My relatives live in Gyor Menfocsanak and my father was born in Sopron. Yes I'm a Magyar at heart, even though I grew up in Australia and can hardly speak any Magyarul. I want to retire there one day and have my ashes scattered in the Danube from the Chain Bridge. szervusz Stephen (Istvan) Varhegyi PS I hope my wife isn't checking my emails. Just joking. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Pwesty" Subject: USS Iowa Hi list I was just wondering if anybody know if there any place on the web that has good picture showing the Iowa as she looks now sitting in Suisun Bay. Thanks ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume