Subject: SMML VOL 2158 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:37:53 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Arado 196 Camouflage 2: Re: Need help on Rigging and Antenas 3: Source of 0.005 stainless steel wire 4: 1/350 USS Kidd (DD-993) 5: USS Iowa 6: John Rule: Two days in Paris... 7: Re: RN Signal Flags 8: Re: Typhoon class submarines 9: Re: Merchant Vessel PLans 10: Re: Two days in Paris + SMMLiecon 11: Re: Congress, the Admirality, and the Department of The Navy 12: Re: USS Iowa 13: Re: Articles in Ship Names, Typhoon class USSR Sub 14: The colour of railings - views please? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Warship Books announcement ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Cameron Lynch" Subject: Arado 196 Camouflage Does anyone know where I can locate a copy of the RLM splinter camouflage pattern for the Arado 196? Thanks. Cameron Lynch ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Need help on Rigging and Antenas >> I was going to use the same technique on the KGV and I had to find out that the nylon does not "like" to be glued to the masts and because the nylon is curled the thread needs to stretched to a point which starts bending the masts. Not to mention trying to get 6 paralell ones that hang a bit down like on the real thing... So I did all the rigging with stretched sprue and the result is...not smashing. << If you want to use nylon, you can try pre-stretching it. Cut a series of lengths longer than you need, and hang them from a rod or bar with a small weight, like a clothespin, attached at the bottom. It'll take most of the spring out of the nylon and straighten it out. You could also use very fine fishing tippet. I use the smallest I can find for my 1/700 ships. Also, you're probably not going to find anything in scale. Wire fine enough to be in scale would probably require a trained spider. Just find the thinnest you can and don't worry about it. Joe Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: EDWARD GRUNE Subject: Source of 0.005 stainless steel wire I purchased my wire from "The Man of Stainless Steel" at a couple of IPMS/USA regional and national conventions. All is not lost however ... 0.005 stainless wire is available from Small Parts, Inc. (www.smallparts.com). Item number Y-SWGX-050. Spooled stainless, tungsten, and spring wire are also available. Ed Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Glenn and Kelly Neklason" Subject: 1/350 USS Kidd (DD-993) Was it my imagination or did I see something somewhere about the pending release of a 1/350 USS Kidd (DD-993)? Glenn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: cfrieden Subject: USS Iowa >> I was just wondering if anybody know if there any place on the web that has good picture showing the Iowa as she looks now sitting in Suisun Bay. << I have a bunch of photos of the reserve fleet that I took last September, including several of the Iowa. They are telephoto shots taken from the Jeremiah O’Brien as we sailed past going to and from Sacramento, so no close-ups. I was planning on submitting some of these to the SMML site but haven’t gotten around to scanning them. I will probably send them along in the not too distant future. Regards, Chris Friedenbach ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Paul & Renee Jacobs" Subject: John Rule: Two days in Paris... John, I assume that the following is your idea of an April fools joke. You surely don't mean that this is a correct translation: >> And for those who are not graced with the ability to understand French. The joke is installed in the Palace of Spring Onions, one of the chief eggs of architecture almost immoral on a cycle, constructed by way of the architects Karl, Boiled Water and Emphysema for exposing internationally in 1937 on the Eiffel Tower and in a field with a Mars Bar, it offers the one of the more vast views on Paris. << Paul Jacobs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Sanartjam Subject: Re: RN Signal Flags Hi, Sorry to be so tardy on this, but there is set of RN signal flags of WWII in Barrie Kent's book "Signal!" and, I think, in Jack Broome's book "Make Another Signal." Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Ives100 Subject: Re: Typhoon class submarines Try the following: http://www.quiknet.com/~jeruff/ussr.html http://www.hazegray.org/features/russia/ and also: http://www.bellona.no/en/international/russia/navy/northern_fleet/report_2-1996/11091.html Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Art Herrick" Subject: Re: Merchant Vessel PLans >> Being a fan of warships it is with some consternation that a friend asked could I obtain a set of plans or drawings for a freighter he is interested in building. Other than coming up empty with a net search I was hoping someone on the list may be able to assist. This is all the info I have: Vessel: Port of Townsville (Sisters: Port of Wyndham, Port of Chalmers) Built by: Swan Hunter 1935 For: Commonwealth & Dominion Line << In answer to __No___ ? ___Name_____ [ Starline/Fleetline ] in Australia, I can not give you an answer to the source of plans, but the following might help your friend in his search for plans. From the book: BRITISH OCEAN TRAMPS - Vol. 1, Builders & Cargoes, by P.N. Thomas, Waine Research Publications, Mount Pleasant, England, 1992: See page 77 for Builder of Subject vessels: The original C.S. Swan yard at Wallsend-on-Tyne, England, dates to 1872, then in 1880 became C.S. Swan & Hunter, and in 1903 the company amalgamated with Wigham Richardson & Co. Ltd., of Walker, and became Swan, Hunter & Wigham Richardson Ltd.. There is no reference in this book to the vessel PORT TOWNSVILLE or her two sister vessels. Note: PORT OF TOWNSVILLE is not the correct vessel name!! ... delete the "OF". Same with other two vessel names. From the book: A Cruising Companion - SHIPS AND THE SEA, compiled and edited by PAYMR. Lieut-Comdr. E. C. Talbot-Booth, R.N.R., D. Appleton-Century Co., New York-London, 1939: See page 457 for the Subject vessels owner: At the end of 1936 The Commonwealth and Dominion Line Ltd. became the Port Line Ltd. (British) (Cunard Cargo Service), London E.C.3. Listed are 19 Motor Ships (Diesel) owed by The D.&C. L., as of 1939: The three Subject vessels being in this list - PORT CHALMERS, Built 1934, 8,500 tons - PORT TOWNSVILLE, Built 1935, 8,500 tons - PORT WYNDHAM, Built 1935, 8,700 tons. Vessels named for Australian Ports. Of interest to model shipwrights is the D.&C. L.'s livery, - On page 457: Distinguishing Features: Hull, Silver Grey. Boot-toping Red. Ventilators and Mast colors Brown. Opposite page 583 is a fold-out color drawing of the Commonwealth & Dominion Line Ltd. House flag and funnel marking. The House flag has a horizontal and vertical narrow light red bar centered in the field, with diagonal narrow light blue bars from corner to corner of the field (These color bars are 1/8th the height of the flag's field). The funnel is red with a broad band of black at the top (as does the Cunard Line funnels). There is no House flag or funnel markings shown for Port Line LTD., but I would assume it would be a red funnel with a broad black band at the top. Hope the above will help your friend in his search for plans of the PORT TOWNSVILLE, and his subsequent model of her. Art Herrick Westmoreland, New Hampshire USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Two days in Paris + SMMLiecon >> Looking forward to meeting new faces and renewing acquaintances with those that will still speak to me after the 1st SMMLiecon << Hey I'm bringing a video camera and expect a repeat performance!! :-) if necessary I'll even provide the scotch. Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Congress, the Admirality, and the Department of The Navy >> Actually, the remark about Congress being our "Admirality" was my weak idea of humor. Specifically, I was referring to the ability of large, cumbersome organizations to be faction-ridden, self-important, and which can labor mightily and bring forth....not much of substance, lots of times. << And your point is?? ;-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: USS Iowa >> This is my first time writing to SMML. I served on the USS IOWA just before it was decomissioned in 1990. I recently got the Tamiya 1/350 USS NEW JERSEY, and, much to my horror, the rear deck (aft of Turret 3) is different from my ship. Does anyone know how I can correct this? << I suspect that the Navy and ship association would rather strenuously object ;-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: Re: Articles in Ship Names, Typhoon class USSR Sub >> Re: Articles in Ship Names Brooks Rowlett quotes: >> The His Majesty's Ship TEAZER" is clearly grammatically incorrect (and there the HMS T. also is incorrect) << Is this not also incorrect as the first descriptor should read HER Majesty's Ship?? << It depends on if you are talking about a current vessel, or the WWII vessel. I believe the post to which I replied may have used "His Majesty's Ship". >> I was searching for a list of the Soviet submarines. << I could see a lot of subs, but no names. Did the Soviets not name their subs? e.g. the Typhoons. No names? << Russian submarines in the WWII and Cold War era generally were given letter-number combinations, like U-boats, or Japanese submarines. A very few submarines were given names. In the post cold-war era, names are more frequent. Try this link: http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/russia/submar.htm Brooks A Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Stephen Allen" Subject: The colour of railings - views please? Looking at the photo-etched railings I'm about to attach to the Revell Campbell, the thought occurs to me that the railings themselves depict a mix of rigid steel and flexible cable. Now, the rigid rails would be the vertical colour of the ship (in this case white), but how likely is it that the steel rope/cabling would be painted? If not, then a neutral gray might be more realistic. In looking at a number of photos of USCG craft, I see a mix of light or dark rails depending on the ship and the era - this could be reflection, relative shade in relation to the background colour, or maybe in some cases painting or wrapping of the rails. I guess my question is also relevant to other naval vessels - do you continue camouflage patterns across the railings, for example, or do you use a neutral 'steel cable' colour? I'd be interested to see other modeller's views on this issue and what their own techniques are. I'd also be interested to hear from anyone who can discuss the question in specific relationship to the Secretary class cutters. regards Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Warship Books announcement Hi all, IHP is ready to ship it's very limited (only 30) 700 scale mixed media HMS Invincible (1921) kit. This kit is completely sold out. I have have one available. Canada $208US US & Intl $130US Shipping for this item is FREE! Don't forget my other SPECIAL OFFERS: Pre-order the soon to be released Royal Navy Camouflage Volume IV and one other title from WR Press and shipping is FREE! Pre-order Raven & Roberts British Battleships of WWII and shipping is FREE! 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