Subject: SMML VOL 2162 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 04:37:04 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: HMS BELLEROPHON 2: Re: Support columns 3: Call signs and signal flags 4: Mistress Lorna/Re: HMS FURIOUS dazzle scheme.... 5: Photos of Dido 6: Re: Trumpeter Nimitz 7: The big E 8: Re: Call signs and signal flags 9: Re: Arado 196 10: Re: Arado 196 11: Painting HMS FURIOUS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Buffalo SMMLcon 2003 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Sam Pullig" Subject: HMS BELLEROPHON How do you pronounce this? My Greek is worse than my English, It is Greek isn't it? I remember it said that the Sailors from the Napoleonic era spoke it as Billy Ruffin. Thanks Sam Pullig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Support columns >> I'm building a 'glass case' model of HMS Queen Elizabeth and need to know where I can lay my hands on some brass support columns - she is 5ft long so the columns need to be biggish. Does anyone know of a supplier in the UK? << Dear Roger, Try The Model Dockyard, Tremorvah Barton, Truro, Cornwall. Tel 01872 261755 website address www.model-dockyard.com They carry a large range of model boat fittings, and I'm sure they'll be able to help you. When I dealt with them a few years ago, they had a first rate mail order service, almost return of post. Happy hunting, Regards, David Griffith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: cfrieden Subject: Call signs and signal flags >> Apparently all USN ships, much like US civil aircraft, used "N" as the first letter of the combo. I would suspect that Coast Guard ships use "W" as the first letter while Merchant Marine used "T" - in keeping with their "branch" prefixes on the hull numbers. Does anybody know for sure? << You are correct about USN ships using call signs beginning with N, but I don't think your Merchant Marine assumption is correct, at least for WWII. I have no info to show one way or the other for Coast Guard. I don't have any info on what the standard practice was for issuing Merchant Marine call signs, but the SS Jeremiah O'Brien was issued the call sign KXCH in 1943. BTW, T hull numbers are used on modern MSC ships. Most merchant ships do not have hull numbers, and WWII ships would not have had them. Regards, Chris Friedenbach ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: stillmo Subject: Mistress Lorna/Re: HMS FURIOUS dazzle scheme.... Attn. Mistress Lorna/ re: LCP FURIOUS scheme. I have painted a lot of dazzle 700 scale USN warships over the years. Start with a base color on all vertical surfaces. Do as much decking detail on all levels prior to assembly. By base color, I mean the basic gray--whatever the RN designation is in colorcoats paints. Do all your vertical surfaces first. Paint in your portholes, dry wash all your visible raised detailing if any first. Go deck by deck. With a sharp pencil, sketch in the angled lines of the camo schemes cross referencing to your port and starboard reference renderings. Write on the panels, on the model, what the color should be.....for example 5N 3T, 2D, or whatever and then paint inbetween the lines like those old paint by number sets years ago. Clean up the edges. Dry fit the areas where the flight deck surrounds the superstructure, make mental notes where you cannot get your brush in, go back to those areas where brushing will be impossible from the ouside and paint in the panels and edges. Remember to add in your photo etching NOW because you may not be able to instal photo etching under, or behind a flight deck assembly. Whatever is GOING TO BE VISIBLE, BUT IN ACCESSIBLE under or behind the flight deck areas has to be painted before final cementing. Do the upperworks on a level by level 'stepped' section. Its going to be tedious and time consuming but thats the glory of it. If you are doing sections in sub assemblies, white glue the base to a simple wooded block and build your superstructure, and paint it, as you progress higher and higher. Hold each assembly and paint job up to eye level so that any angled splinter camoflauge will PROGRESS FROM ONE DECK LEVEL TO THE NEXT DECK LEVEL AT THE SAME ANGLE, come to a point, then meet another color. You will need a lot of 01 and 02 brushes. Work from the heel of the brush and you will have total control. Make sure before you lay down any overshadowing parts like overhangs, deckings that all work underneath is absolutely done first as you cant come back and do it later once glued in place. Even add crewpersons in there if you want to, and only if they are visible. If you want, matt spray those areas too after completing painting before dropping down more assemblies. I would not weather any of the areas under the flight deck, or the superstructure that it surrounds as these areas will be well maintained by crew and defunct of any rusts. Ray D. Bean, former writer for Plastic Ship Modeller Magazines. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Photos of Dido I have recently been sent a port broadside photo of the cruiser Dido as in mid 1943. This picture matches the sequence of IWM photos numbered A21017, A21018 and A21019. In the IWM records, 21017 is labelled as the Sirius, 21018 I believe is labelled the Aurora and 21019 is labelled the Dido. 21017 is in fact the Dido and 21019 is labelled correctly. Is it possible that someone can visually confirm if in fact 21018 is a cruiser of the Arethusa class. If so then the photo that I have is the missing one in the sequence of three. As an aside it shows the camouflage pattern fairly well, and when combined with the other two the complete port side pattern which consists of four colors, can be established. The starboard side pattern is known to be different, and for which to date there is only fragmentary evidence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Craig Bennett" Subject: Re: Trumpeter Nimitz Hi The following kits have been announced for release. Pitroad /Skywave in 1/700 scale: J-23 JMSDF Takanami DD-110. M-20 USSR KIROV CLASS Kirov, M-21 USSR KIROV class Frunze Dragon 1/700 scale 7036 Frigate Lafayette,7037 USSR KIROV Class Admiral Nakhimov, 7038 USSR Kirov class Pyotr Velikhiy, 7039 USS Winston Churchill DDG-81, 7040 USS Arizona BB-39,7041 USS Pennyslvania BB-38 1/350 scale Dragon # 1014 USS KIDD DDG-993 and 1015 ROC KIDD Class. Trumpeter 1/700 scale #5707 USSR Navy KIROV class Battle Cruiser 1/350 5606 USS NIMITZ CLASS CARRIER, #5606 USSR Admiral Kutznetsov 5608 USS LEXINGTON CV-2 The reason I requoted this was help clear any questions as to what's going to be 1/700 or 1/350 or supposely. Recently thru a person at a hobby shop it's been learned that Skywave uses Trumpeter to produce some kits such as the IOWA class BB 1980-90's era kits and maybe doing so again with the USSR KIROV class battle cruisers. Has any one looked at the Trident Hobbies .com site on steel navy lately the prices for the new Trumpeter 1/350 kits are listed there. Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Chris Rogers Subject: The big E Just to let all of you know a 1/72nd scale R/C model of CVN 65,will hopefully be launched over easter, at Moss Vale South of Sydney at the: Southern Highlands Wines Vinyard Oldbury Road Moss Vale Sat 19 and Sun 20 of April 2003 chris Oz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Brooks Rowlett Subject: Re: Call signs and signal flags >> Apparently all USN ships, much like US civil aircraft, used "N" as the first letter of the combo. I would suspect that Coast Guard ships use "W" as the first letter while Merchant Marine used "T" - in keeping with their "branch" prefixes on the hull numbers. Does anybody know for sure? << Nope. Coast Guard Cutter OWASCO for example had NRBQ. The FCC website has this: "Under international agreement, since 1927 the alphabet has been divided among nations for basic call sign use. The United States, for example, is assigned three letters--N,K, and W-- to serve as initial call letters for the exclusive use of its radio stations. It also shares the initial letter A with some other countries. The letter A is assigned to the Army and Air Force; N to the Navy and Coast Guard, and K and W to domestic stations, both government and non-government." Merchant ships have K or W call signs. Here is a 1912 list: http://EarlyRadioHistory.us/1912radi.htm Brooks A. Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "John Barnum" Subject: Re: Arado 196 There is a book (54pages) that may be of use. It is Wydawnictwo Militaria 53 AR 196 by Janusz Ledwoch 1997 ISBN 83-86209-87-9. It has 14pages of coloured drawing and several B&W drawings and some nice photos. Is there a web address for the National Air and Space collection where Prinz Eugen's aircraft is? John Barnum Margate England ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Graham Boak" Subject: Re: Arado 196 These aircraft were not painted using colours RLM 70 and 71 - the maritime colours 72 and 73 were used. The very low contrast of Luftwaffe greens (both fresh 70/71 and 72/72) has been responsible for a great many misinterpretations of these schemes - indeed it is still being repeated in some recent books. However, the highest quality photographs show the two colours. Usually they are very difficult to distinguish. None of the specialist Luftwaffe camouflage books suggest a specific scheme for shipborne aircraft that was different from other floatplanes. That a specific scheme did exist onboard raiders is true - photos show an Arado on Scheer in an overall light blue - presumably RLM 65. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "david angelo" Subject: Painting HMS FURIOUS Hi Lorna, This may be the long way around, but it gives good results. Others here might be able to suggest better ways to do this. I use an air brush as I don't get good results with a brush. (Operator error no doubt) I usually paint the hull & other parts first and then begin assembly. On this kit I primed & then painted everything in the lightest color used in the camo scheme. Then I cut & installed masking tape to suit the pattern on the hull, funnel & lower bridge and sprayed the next lightest color. I continued in this untill these parts were finished in the 6 colors scheme. It's important to prime the pieces first, I forgot to prime the funnel & the paint came away with the tape. I use sandable gray Plasticoate primer, but other automotive brands might be just as good. Let the primer dry overnight before proceeding,and let the color coats dry before taping them. I let the color coats dry about 2 to 4 hours, and it worked out. The hull took 2 days to paint and the tape came off no problem without pulling any paint away. I used regular low tac masking tape, and cut all the edges with a straight edge & razor blade to ensure nice crisp paint lines. I also airbrushed the deck color while I has all the verticle surfaces taped. The brass I brush paint after gluing in place. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "James Kloek" Subject: Buffalo SMMLcon 2003 Yesterday was Buffcon, the Buffalo club's local IPMS show, and I went down to get a preview of Noreastcon. It was a good show, and the vendor room was terrific. Many of the same vendors will be at Noreastcon, so come with cash. Of note were Vanwell publishing who had a lot of ship related books, particularly USNI stuff at good prices. Harry Dente from Research in Scale was there too, and when I told him about SMMLcon, he said he would bring a lot of ship models and ship materials back for Noreastcon. (I picked up at Regia Marina North Carolina from him). Ted Paris will be there too. Time is getting close, let Darren or me know to confirm your attendance: jkloek1@rochester.rr.com Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume