Subject: SMML VOL 2174 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:35:05 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USS Nautilas 2: Re: USS Nautilas 3: Great Eastern 4: Wall of fire! 5: Me And My Shadow (hull numbers) 6: Sub models 7: Re: RMS Mauretania Colour Scheme 8: USS Nautilus 9: Re: USS Nautilus SS-168 10: Re: USS Nautilus 11: Re: WWII Nautilus 12: Re: Use of an 18" gun for anti-aircraft 13: Re: Use of an 18" gun for anti-aircraft 14: Merchantman - Port Townsville 15: Re: German W.W.2 Uniforms ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Chuck Messer" Subject: Re: USS Nautilas >> I have a question. I seem to remember either the blue water navy or iron shipwrights once made a model of the pre-World War II submarine Nautilus. I have looked all over the Internet to no avail. Is it my imagination or did this really exist? I would like to make a model for a friend who actually served on the model is in the late 30s. Any help would be greatly appreciated. << Richard, Iron Shipwright and Nautilus both make a 1/350 scale model of the Nautilus you're looking for. They both look like nice kits. Chuck ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: AAA Hobby Supply Subject: Re: USS Nautilas It was my Nautilus Models kit. I have decided to drop it from my lineup, but Ted at Commanders has revived it. Kit #4-132, $70.00 http://www.commanderseries.com/ships.htm James Corley Nautilus Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Kevin Woodruff Subject: Great Eastern The Great Eastern hit Great Eastern Rock on August 28, 1862 Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Wall of fire! >> Is there any more information about the "'sankaidan' (incendiary shrapnel) anti-aircraft shell", its effectiveness at the Battle of the Sibuyan Sea, and why firing it disabled the gun? << Guess you'll be getting plenty of replies from us Yamatoholics :) Skulski gives a wonderful drawing and explanation of the 'San-Shiki' projectile in his AOTS Yamato book. Basically it is a 1360 kg shell for the 18" gun, filled with 1500 fragments, 900 are 25 mm steel tubes filled with a incendiary composition and 600 are steel stays. Idea was to fire the shell into the path of an incoming aerial attack. The shell would burst at a preset range, releasing the tubes who would ignite by the burst, filling the sky ahead of the incoming planes with devastating fire and shrapnell, not to mention the shockwave and turbulence it would cause! Regarding the use of the shell, Yoshida Mitsuru (a survivor) mentions in his book 'Requiem for battleship Yamato': "The curtain of fire from the main batteries is thin and restricted to the horizontal plane." (pg. 75) As to the possible disabling of Musashi's gun, I can only assume the shell burst prematurely... I can't imagine any navy using an untested shell in action, so there must have been test and drill-firings. Wienne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: Me And My Shadow (hull numbers) When the previous USCGC Campbell was based in Port Angeles, they were often the victim of pranks from other ships while berthed in naval bases. Bored sailors painint the side of their own ship, often could not resist adding "SOUP" after "CAMPBELL" on the stern of the cutter! Don't know if this still happens on theEast Coast based newer WMEC of the same name. Dave Shirlaw Editor, SeaWaves Magazine www.seawaves.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Bill and Gloria Koll" Subject: Sub models I live on Mutiny Bay, Whidbey Island, Washington, and have a great view to the west and all the submarine traffic that comes and goes from Hood Canal (lately shadowed by a Typhoon Class Patrol Coastal) I have looked for a model of these boomers and haven't found anything. Any chance you could suggest something. Is it a Los Angeles class boat I'm watching? Many thanks, W.Koll ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Randy Ward Subject: Re: RMS Mauretania Colour Scheme >> Apart from the standard Flat Black for the hull, Flat white for most of the superstructure, and Copper for the propellers, what other colours do I need? Decks? Hull below waterline? Etc.? Any suggestions would be most appreciated. << Michael, the Mauretania carried several different schemes during her life, including the red/black/white/gray dazzle scheme in WWI, and a white hull in later years. Except for war years, the funnels seem to always be the Cunard red/black scheme. Several references I have also show tan masts. Below the waterline, plan on red (not sure what shade) with a white stripe. I believe the red was darker in later years (white hull years). I believe the insides of the ventiltors were black (as opposed to red for the Lusitania). Tan decks, most likely. Mauri may also have done some time as a hospital ship, in which case she would've had the same scheme as the Britannic - white hull with red crosses connected by a horizontal green stripe. I have some model photos, as well as scans of posters of her - would be happy to send. Randy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: EDWARD GRUNE Subject: USS Nautilus Ralph wrote: >> I would like to make a model for a friend who actually served on the model is in the late 30s. << Wow Ralph, I'm surprised that such a small statured man wouldn't get lost in the crew of 1:1 scale people ;-> All seroiusness aside ... Nautilus Models made a 1:350 scale resin & brass model of the USS Nautilus, the Makin Island Raider. It is in the WWII configuration. Nautilus has transferred the rights for the production of the model to Iron Shipwright. You can find ISWs website at http://www.commanderseries.com/ Ed Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "dengar" Subject: Re: USS Nautilus SS-168 Hi Richard, Try these sites, and if you require more contact me off-line at Dengar@paradise.net.nz http://www.steelnavy.com/SS%20168.htm http://www.rddesigns.com/subs/v-boats.html Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Ives100 Subject: Re: USS Nautilus It was Nautilus Models that produced the USS Nautilus (SS-168) in resin. I believe they discontinued the kit; you could contact James Corley at: aaahobby@earthlink.net about possible kit availability. Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: WWII Nautilus See the following on the ISW site off SteelNavy.com under submarines, auxiliaries etc 4-132 350 USS Nautilus SS-168 Makin Island Raider 70.00 Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Candy Forster & Rob Robinson Subject: Re: Use of an 18" gun for anti-aircraft Skulski's "The Battleship Yamato" references a "46cm Type common 'San Shiki' Model 3" AA round, acting as an incendiary 'shotgun' round. It included 900 'incendiary tubes' made of rubber thermite, released in a 20-degree cone when a bursting charge was set off by a timing fuze. Hara's "Japanese Destroyer Captain" mentions use of the Yamato's 18.1" guns in an AA mode at that ship's sinking, although the shells hit nothing. I have a vague memory (unattributed) of reading somewhere that the shells were basically a waste of time & effort, & that they created excessive wear on the 18.1" guns, although I've never heard of them disabling the guns after a single firing. Rob Robinson Skillman, NJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Allan and Crystal Plumb" Subject: Re: Use of an 18" gun for anti-aircraft >> Is there any more information about the "'sankaidan' (incendiary shrapnel) anti-aircraft shell", its effectiveness at the Battle of the Sibuyan Sea, and why firing it disabled the gun? << Dulin and Garzke, p.70: (after a discussion of a request to use "sanshikidan" shells as they call them) "Musashi opened fire on her attackers with a full nine-gun 460-mm salvo. After this first salvo, Turret 1 was out of action, because one of its guns had a projectile jammed in one of the barrels. A second salvo of six 460-mm shells was fired. Neither salvo deterred the American aircraft [...]" Apparently Yamato used them in her last battle, against two PBMs and against the TBMs, but with no apparent effect. BTW, Dulin and Garzke concur that Musashi was torpedoed on both sides, and that the US tried to hit Yamato on one side only to sink her more quickly. I can extract the numbers if so desired. Allan Plumb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: PaulShip37 Subject: Merchantman - Port Townsville Someone was looking for information on a merchantman-Port Townsville- that he hoped to model for a friend who served on her. Len Jordan makes a 1:1250 resin kit of a sistership-Port Chalmers- (kit M-41). A "Google" search for "port chalmers len jordan" brought up some sources that listed the kit. Perhaps Len Jordan could also guide him to reference material if there was a need to build to a bigger scale. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Richard Wootten Subject: Re: German W.W.2 Uniforms I have a very second hand model of a German Harbour Defense Boat which I have been asked to reconstruct. I have no drawings and little information and small success on the web. I understand that about 900 of these craft were built to a basic design with about the same number of modifications. Has anyone any information, plans or pictures, or can anyone suggest where to look. Further, what uniform did the crew wear? Colour? Style? Any help or advice most welcome. Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume