Subject: SMML VOL 2176 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:49:26 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USN Ship Number Font 2: Re: More Potiemkin info 3: Profile Morskaya 4: Re: seasick animals 5: Puget Sound Subs 6: Sub models 7: FOTS 2003 8: Mikasa Colors 9: Arromanches colors 10: Re: Cutter Campbell 11: Re: Great Eastern 12: Re: Live animals at sea 13: The one with your name on it... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR Subject: Re: USN Ship Number Font >> In SMML 2169 i suggested TLai Enterprises (http://www.tlai.com/) as a source for computer fonts for both USAF and USN lettering. Their USN font, it has been pointed out to me, is for aircraft, not ships. Silly me! I had assumed the hull numbers on USN ships used the same style lettering as USN aircraft, but I guess not. << Yeah, I jumped to the site in hopes of finding a computer font for naval hull numbers only to find the A/C markings. BUMMER! Rusty White - #20181 IPMS/USA Pres. Candidate ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: More Potiemkin info Tom, while I am always cautious about assesing the colour of ship's funnels from photographic evidence (heat of the steam leads to a quick degradation of the original colour) I do agree with Falk that from all alvailable evidence colour of Potiemkin's funnels appears as undistinguishable from the colour of the rest of the superstructure. So either the funnels are so light yellow that you can't distinguish the difference from white in B&W photo or they are indeed white. Boats were of the same colour as the superstructure. Ventilators were of the same colour as funnels -i.e white in my opinion. Equipping battleships with torpedo boats was the fashion of the time and Potiemkin was indeed supposed to carry two of them. The question about the shade of Russian yellow is the crux of the matter since, when used, Russian yellow was an ochre yellow of mid to dark shade variety and so the difference between yellow and white isn't usually difficult to spot even in B&W photos. Torpedo nets- while booms were peresent on the ship I am of the opinion that, in 1905, Potiemkin did not carry the nets themselfs. They were weight and cumbersome affairs which were removed (or not carried) when ship was not in a charm's way. Regards Darius ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Ogilvie" Subject: Profile Morskaya I just received the Profile Moriska "Limited Editions" on the IJN Akitsushima. #39 and on the RN Abdiel/Ariadine light cruisers #20. They are beautiful publication printed on glossy paper with great drawings in both 1/700 and 1/400 of the ships and numerous larger drawings of details. The one on the IJN Akitsushima which is in a smaller format has two sets of drawings in 1/400 that are not stapled into the book,one three view in color and the other a standard line drawing including separate maindeck drawings with the superstructure / funnel / crane removed and hull lines. There are good photos of both as well. Less so in the Akitsushima though the one that are there are large and clear considering the subject.They will go along way toward finishing off a couple of projects that have been hanging around here partially completed for to long.I got them through armybooks.com. I am attempting to find the Profile Moriska on the Gremyashchy and her sisters the type 7 Soviet DD's in order to finish a backdating of the Trumpeter 1/200 Courageous kit to WWII standards. I have tried WEM, Pacific Front and two Russian net sites including armybooks.com and Eastern Express and some smaller specialty sites with no luck. I've asked armybooks.com to special order it several times over the last 10 mo.and they have had no luck. If you know of a copy for sale let me know where it is or if you have a copy and are willing to scan or copy the center drawing and the isometric drawing I would appreciate it. you can contact me at gogilvie@cox.net. Thanks!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "David L. Miller" Subject: Re: seasick animals Yes, animals aboard ship would get seasick. They just couldn't talk about it. Their cages, stalls, or pens would also have to be kept clean. David L. Miller Macomb, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Norm Filer" Subject: Puget Sound Subs Tom wrote (in part) >> You are seeing Ohio class SSBNs. These are stationed at Keyport, Wa., and use the Hood Canal to transit to sea. From time to time, you may also see a transient SSN (Los Angeles class) and maybe the only remaining Sturgeon, USS Parche (a bit odd looking, and we won't talk about what she is doing....). << I too live in the Seattle area, and had until recently been on a quest to identify a sub a friend who lives in Keystone took a picture of. Just found out it is the Parche. A comparison of the photo does not look much like anything in the class in Jane's American Fighting ships. Have no doubt that the identity was a correct one as the source was literally dockside. He too made oblique comments about the boat's mission. Could or would you care to expand a bit on what she does? Norm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "rtorgeson" Subject: Sub models Bill Koll, Chance are if the boats are in Hood Canal it's a Trident class boomer going to or from Bangor sub base. DML makes a 1/350 plastic model of the USS Ohio. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Robert Lockie Subject: FOTS 2003 Hi Chaps I've been out of comms for a while but I see that there is another Festival of the Sea approaching (Edinburgh, in late May) and wondered if anyone was planning to attend. I had a look at the website but the ship content looks a bit thin, doubtless due to operational commitments (possibly one Type 42 was listed as the only largeish RN vessel). Does anyone have any plans regarding the event, or any information about what might be there? Edinburgh is a reasonable trek from here (unlike Portsmouth was in 2001) and I can do without making it if the naval content will be minimal. Thanks Robert Lockie Swindon UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "F. Pletscher" Subject: Mikasa Colors On Jan.9, 1904 a new dark gray was introduced for all ships of the Combined Fleet as an over all paint. Regulations were standardized on Jul.2, 1904. But the mixing rate was not regularily layed down before Dec. 1907, when it was fixed to a rate of black 1 : 3 white. So a mixture of 1 part black and 3 parts white should pretty well match the color of Mikasa during the time of the Battle of Tsushima. It should have been painted on vertical surfaces as well as on horizontal ones. Since there obviously were no offical regulations on how exactly to mix this color, you can do not too much wrong in mixing your own tone accdording to what you can see on contemporary photos. I once wrote an article on Japanese warship paints of the Meji era for PSM and, with Dan Jones' permission, will give it to Shane and Lorna for the SMML website. Falk Pletscher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "L'Arsenal" Subject: Arromanches colors Hello, As promised I discussed of the Arromanches deck color with some specialists with the result that little is known about these colors during the Indochina campaign in the early 50's. According to some, deck was "metal" which means that it could be interpretated as a surface with various shades of medium gray. Others said that the deck was medium gray, a shade between the light gray of the hull and the dark one of the current Foch or Clemenceau deck grays. So, as you can see lots of things still have to be done in the knowledge of Marine Nationale ships. Best regards from Normandie, Jacques Druel L'Arsenal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "David N. Lombard" Subject: Re: Cutter Campbell From: mmaynard3 >> As for painting things un authorized on ship hulls we were guilty of painting "FOR SALE" in white on big gray Navy ships in Mayport and Little Creek, usually on their stern. I understand they got a few offers from other Navy ships... << When my father was CO of FULMAR in Perth Amboy, NJ in the 60's, some of his crew painted the stern of the LOORIKEET, red. When he figured out who did it (apparently one of the culprits was very short and some very short red-stained pants were the clue) and asked why, they replied he was supposed to ask the LOORIKEET's CO if she was having, well, you know... David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA N 33 deg, 48', W 118 deg, 5' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Great Eastern In the "oops we slipped" department I gave the wrong date for the grounding of the Great Eastern at Montauk Point. Should have been August 28th (not 27th). Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Diodor Subject: Re: Live animals at sea Franklyn's question as to whether animals got seasick brings to mind the collection of animals on our ship and sister ships when in the So.Pacific. My scientific observations of: Wallaby, Dog, Cat, Cockatoo, Monkey, Fighting Gamecocks, Rats and Cockroaches never evidenced a single case of seasickness. They were all red-blooded fightin' seadogs and we were proud of 'em--er, sort of. Ted Treadwell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: BSteinIPMS Subject: The one with your name on it... >> When I was in the Tonkin Gulf, it was never the bullet/shell/torpedo/missile with my name or number on it that bothered me...it was the one marked "To Whom It May Concern.... << That's funny, John! Just shows the difference between rounds intended for the Navy versus those for the Army. Ours were much more specific. When I was wounded while flying a UH-1C gunship over Ban Me Thuot in the Central Highlands, the bullet was found to have come from an AK-47 automatic rifle and was enscribed (in Chinese) with "Hey Bob, this one's for you!" It-still-ain't-so-funny-36-years-later-Bob Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Nautical Research Guild ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume