Subject: SMML VOL 2179 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:30:55 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Seasick animals 2: Titanic model 3: Big E 4: WW 1 Sub chaser converted to an English houseboat 5: Re: USS Enterprise 6: Re: USS Inchon LPH 12 7: Big E 8: Re: Sub Models and Big E 9: RMS Mauretania Info 10: USS Inchon 11: Re: HMCS Huron (1944) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: MSJ-Piles Of Plastic And Gobs Of Resin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: Seasick animals We received only two responses to my query about animals getting seasick, one said "Yes", the other said "No". My replies are as follows: To David Miller, thanks for your opinion that animals do indeed get seasick. How does that affect the production of eggs or milk in dairy animals? Cleaning the cages would be enough to make me seasick, even when the ship was tied to a dock. When I got seasick I didn't talk much about it either. I could only moan and groan. I remember getting airsick in a Piper Cub airplane (either an L4 or an L5 Air Force designation) which was not equipped with a "whoopee bag". I used the sleeve of my jacket as a bag, and the instructor flew the airplane back to the base in a big hurry whilst I held my arm to retain the "product" in the elbow area. But that was better than having to clean the airplane later, as was the custom! To Ted Treadwell, thanks for your opinion that animals didn't get seasick on a 110 foot sub chaser, of all seagoing vessels ! Now THAT is a would have been a good subject for the research department of the people who made Mother Sills' Seasick Pills, now wouldn't it? Why humans but not animals? To SMML, any other comments? Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Titanic model That magnificent 18 foot long model of the Titanic, the one made by Fine Art Models and recently on display in the National Geographic Society's Explorer's Hall, was scheduled to go on display in the Mystic Seaport Museum in Mystic, Connecticut in February. Unfortunately the moving van transporting it (and other models, including PT 109) was ironically involved in an accident between Washington, DC and Mystic, and although I don't know any details, in addition to some personal injuries, the models were seriously damaged. It has been estimated that the Mystic showing has been postponed for about six months, missing the prime vacation time. Bummer! Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Ralph Nardone" Subject: Big E Hello, all.... The question was posed: >> according to my notes, the "beehive" on the island was replaced during the major rebuild from 1990 to 1994. 'Any carrier experts out there? 8-) << I'm no 'spurt, but it was earlier than that--Kinzey's Detail and Scale has the changes made during the '79-'83 yard period. Photos seem to bear this out.... Cheers! R ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: WW 1 Sub chaser converted to an English houseboat I have a request for any of our English SMML brethren living in Chertsey area. Would you please inquire about a houseboat named "The Searchlight" that had been tied up on the Thames River about 20 or so years ago? I believe it was inhabited by some English rock-roll musicians at the time. It was featured in the book "Houseboats, Living On The Water Around The World", by Mark Gabor, I have heard that it was a converted WW 1 submarine chaser, and that it eventually sank at the river's side. I do not know if the hulk has been removed or not. There seems to be some question as to whether originally it was really a wooden hulled American 110 Foot Submarine Chaser or a British 75 (later 80) Foot Motor Launch, the forerunner of the 110 Footer, both designed and made in the U.S. circa 1914-1918. The length of the remains (if they exist) will determine the origin. In any event it appears to have been the last of the WW 1 Motor Launch/Submarine Chaser fleet to survive into the 80s. Any information you can supply will be appreciated. I can be reached off List at . Thank you. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: David Wells Subject: Re: USS Enterprise Randy Ward wrote: >> according to my notes, the "beehive" on the island was replaced during the major rebuild from 1990 to 1994. 'Any carrier experts out there? 8-) << I'm pretty sure that the "beehive" was removed during the 1979-82 refit. David R. Wells ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: USS Inchon LPH 12 Hi SMMLies, The Inchon is up for SINKEX but I don't know where and they did tell me Jan, 04 but who really knows. That can change no less then 150 times, remember your dealing with the navy here. No offence to the navy, I love the navy but after serving in it i know how things change. So when they say she's on the bottom you may just to check and see for yourself, if you can. KTB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Big E >> according to my notes, the "beehive" on the island was replaced during the major rebuild from 1990 to 1994. 'Any carrier experts out there? 8-) << I think you're about 10 years late. I believe it was from the 1979-1982 yard visit. Rod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Mike Petersen Subject: Re: Sub Models and Big E The "hat" or "beehive" radar system was removed in the 1980 yard period. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Michael D'Silva" Subject: RMS Mauretania Info To: Randy Nugent >> The Mauratania is a beautiful ship, and any info, plans, colours, etc. that you collect I would also appreciate for when I am able to build mine. << Not a problem! I will gladly collate all the information I can gather on her. If it turns out to be worthwhile, I'll pass it over to Shane and Lorna for the SMML website. You're quite right about the Mauretania being a beautiful ship. If you are a fan, consider getting a copy of Ocean Liners of the Past Volume 2: Lusitania and Mauretania. This book is a facsimile of the original articles that appeared in The Shipbuilder for these two vessels. However, this title is quite expensive and some of the asking prices on sites like abebooks.com are ridiculous. Truly it,s a case of buyer beware. Another title more readily available (AFAIR) is the The Shipbuilder 1906-1914 Volumes 1 & 2, compiled and edited by Mark D. Warren. Both these books provide detailed plans of the ship and will definitely help when building her. Michael D'Silva ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: USS Inchon After decommissioning at Ingleside, Inchon was towed to Philadelphia to eventually be expended as a target. Dave Shirlaw Editor, SeaWaves Magazine www.seawaves.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Graham Preston Subject: Re: HMCS Huron (1944) For Clary Townsend According to "Model Shipwright #25", both HMCS HAIDA and HMCS HURON wore the special "Home Fleet Destroyer Pattern" based on the Western Approaches scheme.The pattern was identical on both sides, and consisted of: White G45, Mid Blue-Grey B30, Mid Blue B20, with the decks being B30. If you can get it, and excellent reference for Canadian Tribals during the Second World War is "HMCS HAIDA - Battle Ensign Flying", by Barry M. Gough, published by Vanwell Press, ISBN 1-55125-058-6. This book has excellent drawings of the ship (General Arrangement), plus detailed drawings of the weapons as she appeared in her wartime configuration, and has excellent photos of herself and three wartime sisters. Hope this helps. Cheers, Chris Preston, Victoria, B.C. 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